People are sympathetic to you at this point of time in their lives though. Because they precieve you as an ally in this context they will likely agree with you just to help bolster their own goal.

Maybe not today, or maybe not tomorrow you will see a change, but you should know you planted a little seed in their head. And if they spend anytime tilling around in their own head space garden that seed might just grow into an opinion. Sometimes it just takes them hearing the samething a couple more times from someone they trust before they start considering working it into their system of beliefs.

The maga party is weak right now, and people are becoming more and more open to straight up socalism. Maga coworkers, family members have been slipping up and saying some socialist shit without knowing it. They’re still backwards and racist sure but something’s changing in their lizard brains. A old youtuber I still kind of watch (kyle/fpsrussia don’t judge me) who is sort of a maga chud even talked about recently how he would vote for AOC of all people before voting for JD Vance as president.

I’m all about that life

Yeah, you are right and I know it. I more or less don’t trust that to happen though.

Let’s go to the old folks home where they get doped up and we all get stoned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q0cp4b9pvg

Literally the only way they can make any of this right when the bubble pops and shit starts hitting the fan is public execution.

Musk, bezos, Altmann, zuckerman, etc.

Nothing they do short of that is going justify all the damage they caused to the world, I don’t think we will be able to move past it unless they where executed, or at the very least have to spend 5 counts of life time sentences in solitary confinement with no parole, work release, etc.

Maybe 40 minutes.

I’m not sure I fully did but your questions imply to me we are taking past eachother.

From my understanding you are still stuck up on the idea that they can’t nessisarly steal an idea for your product because its not really yours to begin with. And Microsoft if they wrote their own code doesn’t really count as theft of the product.

My concern is windows is becoming increasingly agentically coded. If there’s a popular product thats new and drives in more users and Microsoft wants to steal that, they’re most likely making it from their LLM these days, which will directly steal from your unique product if you coded it with their systems. All these Ai companies have fake legal wording that says they won’t use the data in training, or that the instances are private but that is simply not true.

That is still theft, and because this is Microsoft’s ecosystem they own all that data not you. If I made it myself in a non Microsoft enviorment, so Linux, codeburge, etc I think in the future I might at least have a leg to stand on to sue them like how the music industry did with sora or whatever.

Maybe you are misunderstanding my point, I don’t think I implied that they would steal your whole buisness, but fundamentally the work you put in. Much like how all open source code ends up in most of the responses when you ask a model to code something for you.

Your work that you put in will get outputted in someone else’s responses, or Microsoft’s. If I made some kind of feature for a office clone and I used Microsoft services they can outright steal my work and make a clone of the same feature.

They don’t have to steal my brand or anything to put me out of buisness. They can just brute force me with money and capture more users just with advertising, they could force some kind of regulation where I can’t physically keep up with the legal change. There’s so many things they can do, and have historically done when its suited them. Hell if I had employees they could just hire them and steal my work that way, its not above them in any form.

Maybe its hard for me to explain because I lack a good example and this imaginary product is very vague. But they can essentially steal your buisness if they wanted to, and I don’t see how anyone can feel confident using their products and not expect their work to become someone else’s work at some point.

I think chatgpt gave output on someone’s game that they developed, like carbon copy of their code. I don’t think its some far fetched scenario.

Where do you think they get the data from? The entire web of internet has been consumed, these models need constant new data or else they fall behind.

I don’t see in anyway they can’t not steal your work. It may not be all of it out right, and most peoples projects are not even that important to steal. They might just steal specific functions or copy off some of your work but essentially reskin the rest of it.

But Microsoft’s a monopoly and has done this stuff in the past with word, and tried to do it again with the Microsoft store around windows 7/8 era. More and more of their product is being agentically coded, and if a new feature becomes popular enough in third parties they’ll likely just spin off their own version. And if you use their services then they just outright have access to your work.

These tech companies like meta just consume anything below it and either kill it or encorperate it into themselves. I don’t think its that far of a stretch to think they don’t already do this to some extent.

I don’t get how anyone feels secure when vibe coding when Microsoft owns github, and the copilot you are using to help code your program.

If you make a good software product what stops Microsoft from absorbing all their data they own and you willingly gave them, and just making their own version of the software.

Legally you can’t do anything, and physically you just can’t compete with an entity of that size.

I think all the things that we accused China of doing was more or less an admission that we where just jealous that we couldn’t do that. I mean come on we basicially have the social credit score now, we steal all intellectual property rights, we are trying to turn X into the “everything app” much like how China only uses 1 app for everything. We are setting up internment camps and imprisoning the ethnic underclass. Like every Chinese propaganda thing you can think of is just the united States salvating over what could be possible.

My maga coworkers are kind of becoming based socialists. They don’t understand it yet, but for some reason are a lot less against it in the right context. You can’t just call it socialism, its gotta feel like some homestead grass roots, 1776 coded bullshit.

If you just use overtly patriotic phrases kind of like how MAGA has coined make america great again, they digest it much easier.

Their brains are getting broken right now. I don’t know if you guys pay attention to internet slop but there is a maga civil war right now, and every Republican mom with a magical crystal shop in Florida is getting their minds melted.

Elons response when his csam generator generated deep fakes and csam of kids was " we are looking for the people who did this ". No mother fucker it was you who did this.

As if he had 0 responsibility for the release of the csam generator, and took absolutely no precautions on trying to prevent it from happening. No other major LLM company has this issue, and the amount of negligence is on par with leaving a loaded gun at the playground in a park.

What’s even worse is instead of immediately shutting down the csam generator elon instead made it so only paying members can generate csam. When people complained again that people where still actively generating csam he simply removed that function to be available in the united States or the uk. So now when someone generates csam of your kids you won’t even be aware of it.

Now elon musk is fighting at every instance to fight for his right to be able to generate csam. Including suing states.

Trump says this is legal, and he has pressured states to not make any laws against ai in any shape or form, essentially making it illegal to stop elon musk from making csam.

This is what Ai boosters call a modern marvel and amazing life changing technology.

I was pointing out how its less practical than the normal tazers which they still don’t use. The idea of it sounds dangerous to the user too.

The taser gun is the ultimate form. But I agree with your sentiment about less shooting the better.

I guess the point I want to drive home is this taser gloves thing likely costs 300 thousand dollars for a single glove and is funded by tax payer dollars, and its going to be just a toy they bring out to torture people for fun, and otherwise foregotten. They’re still going to pull their guns out first and foremost, and when its slow they’ll abuse their drones and gloves for fun.

Ideally we wouldn’t give them anymore money, my critisim was more a joke but I was trying to point out how the system is so backwards I can imagine a scenario where this was proposed instead of making the ice agents sit through one more paid class with at least the bare minimum a guide on how not to shoot people immediately.

Just the idea of shock gloves sounds like some kind of nepobaby invention where they got a gurillian dollar defense contract to develop a new nonlethal weapon, instead of actually training ICE members to not kill people.

And the person who invented it didnt even know what to make so they did a pintrest style mood board with chatgpt and uploaded all their punisher fan art, tactical gear edc posts and it spat out this idea.

Like what was even wrong with the taser gun? Why do you need it in your gloves? Just sounds like the dumbest most punisher fanfic turbo virgin idea. Like the guys who go to jail for impersonating a police officer and stolen valor at the same time invented it.

There’s a maga civil war, and blueanon is chipping away part of their base.

The grifters pushing the maga civil war are going to shift to push JD Vance though so there’s only a short window where you can kind of capture them during the transition. The grifters are only becoming anti trump because they are influencers and their currency is views. They can’t just tank the loss of income now that trumps becoming increasingly unpopular, especially on issues about Israel, Iran, affordability etc. Once Maga kinda catches up they’ll then start giving them money to make some new “grass roots” network similar to Ben shaprios or turning point.

It was more the second half of the last paragraph I was trying to drive home. I wanted to make a point about how the app market is a closed Eco system and how that is a form of abusive control to ensure people don’t have a choice even if they don’t like it. Yeah I’m sorry I didn’t put more effort the last reply, it I just kind of mentally moved on and wasn’t feeling it. I’m still not now honestly or I would of obnoxiously wrote you 8 more paragraphs.

The way you framed it in your last sentence really reasonated with me and I understand your point now. Yes I agree some what, but no. I genuinely think people are smarter than you give them credit, but are limited by time, and are physically limited by the info the are presented. There’s a million different cultures and things happening at once and you have a narrow scope of vision where you are stuck in a demographic that is being advertised to and manipulated.

Just reread my last paragraph and that is my reply.

Facebooks idea for improving vr was buying out all the major game studios, never doing anything with them, then shutting them down and taking down the servers.

All mean while they tried to push this idea of the “metaverse” which aims to be the place you work, play, watch movies, events, buy fictional property, buy nfts, etc, etc. The biggest failure facebook has seen thus far. Its so pathetic that they changed their name to meta as if they where betting on the idea everyone was going to walk around with a vr headset. Its ironic they didnt quickly change their name back as fast as they gave up on vr for glasses and ai.

The consumer is always right, the ceos are always disillusional to the point of incompetence. The only time it ever works out is when they have a monopoly or enough money to force their inflated egos on the rest of the population, forcing us to go down with them when inevidbily they fall.

If you continue a thread long enough to the point the context is filled it easily is persuaded.

Also its not something that can be fixed the issue just migrates to a new “jailbreak” or whatever it is you use to trick it. Maybe the tricks you used didn’t work but it doesnt mean it still can’t be tricked. Its just your old methods got patched out.

Its like a never ending battle against bots, or hackers in games. Once one method gets patched the otherside just gets better at it. Sure it gets better but it can never be fully safe. And even if it is ever at a standard that is at an acceptable amount of harm, you are still willfully ignoring how systematically and historically how this is just going to be abused by the people running it. The whole point of Ai is to skirt around all the work society had put into at least somewhat protected people from the abuse of corperations. If it didn’t promise that there would be no money invested into it, and I don’t see how you are so blind to it. Grok ai for example is allowed to generate csam, and claim that there is no genocide in Gaza. The only issue it will bring your attention to is the genocide of white farmers. Thats the future of how people will absorb information is through this DRM on the flow of it. This is 1000% legal because trump has made it illegal for the states to regulate Ai in any form, and that includes the generation of csam. These people are immune to laws, and are allowed to rape and pillage what is essentially the library of Alexandrina and lock the door behind them.

Its dangerous precedent and I think you are a harmful person to think that grok should be incharge of peoples therapy, when elon’s doge has dismantled more than half of the federal programs. The person who wants to spread misinformation, wants all your goverment data, and wants to remove healthcare so his ai can get more money is the person who will be telling you how to be happy. It will probably just tell you youre depressed because you arent on enough peptides or its because you took the covid vaccine.

And grok, chatgpt, it doesnt matter they are all the same thing, and there is no distinction between them. Its just different appeals to different demographics and the best one will rise to the top. They all have the same end goal and are all funded by the same people.

You can’t really do that without infustructure to support it. Israel recently got in the news for doing essentially this.

So its not immediately making it into training data, that takes a while and there’s numerous filters to try to prevent this from happening. You can still do it but you or me are not going to do that.

What we can kind of do is if enough people agree to make nonsensical posts on reddit for example the ai will pick it up as fact. It doesnt always work, you kind of have to pick a unique sentence or they will try to autocorrect you and say “oh did you mean this event?” But it has been done before and any llm that uses the internet to search for info easily gets tricked by this. This is what Israel was doing, but they have numerous ai news outlets that generate fake articles that all say the same thing, and bots similar sentiments on social media platforms.

Also the gaurd rails you are refering to are just seperate lesser llm that scans your chat before it passes it to the main model. But much like the main model you can trick the filter into bypassing whatever gaurdrails by just rewording your sentence or asking it to pretend its a game. You seem to be conflating this with intelligence or like the LLM is improving. Those guard rails will be tweaked when money is finally needed because money is always more important over saftey. And there are no laws to prevent them from doing otherwise only public backlash. The model itself isn’t safe.