someone taking a photo with a cellphone camera isn’t art
Yes, 99.99% of the time that would be entirely true and fair. Art would require a creative intent. Most mobile phone photos are just someone wanting to capture a moment, or now with social media, attention. Nothing creative about almost any of that.
Notice I mentioned nothing about technical setup about photography because none of those technical things are creative. Knowing how to setup lights to achieve emotional impact is different from “derp I know I need a lit subject, I setup light now”.
None of the things you’re saying about AI are necessary for generating images, and further I’ll never ever accept any of those as resembling anything like even the ghost of a creative choice. You’re wrong. AI image gen is not art, photography is art by anyone’s definition who has the first idea about what art is or isn’t.
ok, so this post indicates that you are basically grabbing any “common idea” about art wholesale, not interpreting any of it, and regurgitating it. There is no actual interaction to be had here, nor logic being processed.
Nope. I actually used to argue with snobby people who would call something not art if they didn’t personally get it. You’re just wrong here. You understand the point I’m making but you won’t acknowledge it. Had you said “the AI process could be creative if…” you might get some conditional agreement. But what you’re instead doing is lazily saying “well photos are technical and so is this so BAM: art.”
had you said “the AI process could be creative if…” you might get some conditional agreement. But what you’re instead doing is lazily saying “well photos are technical and so is this so BAM: art.”
I’ll bite :
AI art is art when you have an actual vision and feeling you are trying to express, and you lack the craftmanship to be able to do it through traditional mediums and use prose, which itself is art, to get a tool to assist you in rendering out that vision and feeling you have. It’s a bit less direct than traditional creativity, but it’s fun and fulfilling, and that’s the entire point of art in the first place.
Sure, writing the prompt could be art of a kind. But I would challenge the claim that it’s fun and fulfilling. Maybe it is for some people, but almost certainly not for any traditional artist.
Maybe it is for some people, but almost certainly not for any traditional artist.
if you are a traditional artist, of course it’s not. But if you are not, then it is more gratifying than making a crude stick figure that doesn’t have the same emotional impact or resemblance to the idea you have in your head.
Yes, 99.99% of the time that would be entirely true and fair. Art would require a creative intent. Most mobile phone photos are just someone wanting to capture a moment, or now with social media, attention. Nothing creative about almost any of that.
Notice I mentioned nothing about technical setup about photography because none of those technical things are creative. Knowing how to setup lights to achieve emotional impact is different from “derp I know I need a lit subject, I setup light now”.
None of the things you’re saying about AI are necessary for generating images, and further I’ll never ever accept any of those as resembling anything like even the ghost of a creative choice. You’re wrong. AI image gen is not art, photography is art by anyone’s definition who has the first idea about what art is or isn’t.
ok, so this post indicates that you are basically grabbing any “common idea” about art wholesale, not interpreting any of it, and regurgitating it. There is no actual interaction to be had here, nor logic being processed.
Bye.
Nope. I actually used to argue with snobby people who would call something not art if they didn’t personally get it. You’re just wrong here. You understand the point I’m making but you won’t acknowledge it. Had you said “the AI process could be creative if…” you might get some conditional agreement. But what you’re instead doing is lazily saying “well photos are technical and so is this so BAM: art.”
I’ll bite :
Sure, writing the prompt could be art of a kind. But I would challenge the claim that it’s fun and fulfilling. Maybe it is for some people, but almost certainly not for any traditional artist.
if you are a traditional artist, of course it’s not. But if you are not, then it is more gratifying than making a crude stick figure that doesn’t have the same emotional impact or resemblance to the idea you have in your head.