My work computer is on W11. Notifications got much worse, and moved to a harder-to-reach shortcut. There’s a persistent bug with maximization, in which many forms of apps will suddenly take over the region normally reserved for the taskbar (no, I’m not referring to full screen modes) that so far as I can tell can only be fixed by logging out.
The UI is worse, making settings pages even more confusing. Windows Explorer has dived deep into iconography, while still not being clear about what those icons mean. The new context menus are missing options, so they need an extra one to go back to W10’s options.
This is of course setting aside their blatant lies about “It’s not spyware we promise we promise”, among so many other hundreds of problems. I’m doomed to stay on W10 for now to finish a project, but afterwards, I’ll be finding a distro I prefer.
I converted to Linux as soon as one of the shit Windows 11 updates bricked my 5-year old laptop that was working fine previously.
Kubuntu 4 lyfe! ✌️🤪
I moved to Linux thanks to their enshittification. I’m kicking myself I didn’t do it years ago. Linux is how an OS should be.
My work computer had to be upgraded to 11
Why does my fucking file explorer stop responding so much?
I don’t understand how they fucked this up so badly
Windows convinced me to upgrade to Linux :D
They can’t convince me to switch to Win 11 because apparently my computer isn’t good enough.
I use Linux on my home computer, and Windows on my work computer (begrudgingly).
Windows 11 does not feel like an ‘upgrade’ at all. One obvious downgrade is that when I try to change the settings when printing a document, the settings window does not fit on the screen. … I don’t blame Windows for that - its a big settings Window. But the issue is that Windows doesn’t allow me resize it, or scroll down on it, or even let me drag it partially of the screen. And so the result is that it is impossible for me to click the ‘ok’ button when I’m done. The only way to save my changes is if I memorise which button is ok, then press ‘tab’ the exact right number of times to have it select the ok button while I can’t see it, and then press enter. That’s pretty crap. I didn’t have that problem on windows 10. (To be honest I don’t remember exactly what was different. Certainly the window with all the settings was the same, but I believe it had a scroll bar, maybe? In any case, I could certainly press the ok button before ‘upgrading’!)
There are so many annoying features in Windows 11 that I’ve spent ages trying to turn off. For example, I was happy with the way windows could be snapped to the top and to the sides of the screen in windows 10. In Windows 11 they’ve expanded that feature, but made it worse. The snapping brings up menus, and behaves different ways at different times. It’s fiddly and harder to predict. It tries to do more, but ends up being less useful because it is unreliable. I’ve disabled most of the differences in the settings, but not all can be disabled.
And there are heaps of weird inconsistencies in Windows 11. For example, when I rename a file in file explore; often stays in the same places even though it is no longer in the correct file order with the new name. So with alphabetically ordered files, there are often a few things that are out of order - because Windows is inconsistent. (Closing and reopening reorders them.) There are also some weird glitches. For example, I often see graphical glitches while using Excel in Windows 11 which I never saw in Windows 10. Things like rows partially overlapping other rows after scrolling, or the outline of the selected cell sometimes not being visible in parts of the document until you minimise and restore the app. It’s pretty bogus. Obviously they’ve tried to change some backend stuff and created some bugs in the process.
Anyway, the point is that it easy to see why someone would be reluctant to ‘upgrade’ to Windows 11.
Only Microsoft wants to upgrade. A product without a market in a monopoly is capitalism end game.
*Downgrade
Win 11 is a downgrade.
- Worse drivers.
- More bloat.
- More “telemetry” (spyware and adware).
- It breaks a ton of the systems I’ve had to implement by sheer force.
Why the FUCK would I do that? Just to give microsoft more money? Go and FUCK yourself.
Windows shoving AI down everyone’s throats lead me to Linux. First Debian, then Fedora. BTW I’m using Arch now. I love AI, but giving Microsoft full access to my entire file system by force rubs me the wrong way.
I mean, it’s windows 10, but worse
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If you have 8gb or less of RAM, it’s constantly swapping and trash your SSD
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It always needs to automatically install the fucking updates in the background hogging the CPU and SSD time when you actually need to work/play
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When they introduce bugs, they take years to fix them. The taskbar took 3 years to be restored to features that were present since windows 95. One year ago they introduced a new bug that with some display port monitors, when it goes in standby, the resolution switches for a second to 640*480, trashing all windows and desktop layout, super infuriating. Probably this will be fixed in windows 12
Plus with all their decision to force people to trash millions of perfectly working computers… I know many they just give up on personal computers and just use phones/tablet as it’s enough for them
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The risk for both general and corporate business users far outweighs any minor inconveniences of moving to a new OS version.
Minor inconveniences like HAVING TO BUY A WHOLE NEW FUCKING COMPUTER.
These people live in a fantasy world.
Other minor inconveniences may include:
- AI spyware on systems (a very real issue with corporate and government machines)
- Legacy software not working in the new OS
- A drastic decrease in OS productivity
- Damage to hardware (potential as reported)
Left out being nagged to death about other products and services microsoft thinks you should buy.
Oh but that is a feature!
What? Don’t you guys have money?
Just stop being poor, duh!
I sidestepped to Mint. Sorry, Microsoft, your shit’s untenable and disappointing.
That is what I am planning on doing as well. I am not going to install their ad-, bloat- and surveillance-ware.
Me too? I just switched a few days ago and I’m shocked how easy things have been.
Aside from some generic brand hardware I’ve got, most stuff just works. Main issue is not being able to use my Xbox controller wirelessly at the moment.
Get a 8bitdo wireless adapter, it’s better then native Windows support as well.
Bluetooth connect it then steam will automatically use steam input I believe.
Yeah my Bluetooth chipset isn’t supported by the drivers. It connects but isn’t detected properly. I’ll grab a dongle in future
I did the same and using Windows at work is slowly becoming unbearable.
Same! Even converted a couple of Surface tablets over as well. Id like to try Pop Linux on one of them just to see, but can’t get em to boot from USB.
I did too on my laptop but on pc I’ll probably just stick with windows 10, I’d rather deal with security vulnerabilities then ai in my OS
Proton’s good, by the way. If gaming is holding you back, at least.
I tried but I should probably figure out how proton works and try that
Proton is integrated with the Steam app in Linux, so usually you just install the game and then run it from Steam and it just works in Linux even though it’s a Windows game, without you having to know anything about Proton.
Similarly you can use something like Lutris or Heroic which does the same for Wine and game stores like GOG (it’s even integrated with the store and downloads the game for you, same as the Steam app does for the Steam store).
For some games you might have to learn enough to tweak settings, though for Steam and Proton that’s often just changing the Proton version you’re using for a game in its game launch settings in Steam, which is hardly complicated.
The need to really understand what’s under the hood is generally only when leaving these standard paths: for example if you’re trying to run a pirated version of a game (which might even be for perfectly legit reasons: for example one of my Steam games won’t run in Linux no matter what I do, but the pirated version works fine, probably because of the DRM in the official version) or some old obscure game CD you have around, as the scripts in Steam, Lutris or Heroic that silently configure Proton/Wine correctly for a game might not at all exist for those unofficial or older installers.
Yeah that last paragraph really hit the nail as to why I struggle with Linux gaming, especially playing games I downloaded off itchio too
Thanks for your advice though it is appreciated
If you’re willing to learn to use an atomic distro (meaning you can’t install stuff the normal way and the OS filesystem is read only), Bazzite is fantastic, has steam and proton pre installed and has been working amazing for me for a few months so far.
Yeah the thing is alot of the games I want to play arnt on steam so sadly that wouldn’t work out well for me, thanks for the suggestion though
You can normally add it to steam to see if proton will work, or if not, you could use heroic, lutris, or bottles, although normally if it doesnt work under proton and there isn’t a premade wine prefix in lutris or heroic, it will take some tinkering.
Which games are you worried about?
Pirated games or games downloaded off itchio mostly
so good that i actually get more fps than i did so on windows
Look into https://0patch.com/
Keeps you secure without having to pay Microsoft another red cent
Thank you for this
If you must use windows, and might want to upgrade to 11, lets say, for certain games, this project Flyoobe will help create a windows 11 install without all that bloat and ai
I would recommend for people not to install W11 just for a tiny handful of games. Most work on Linux. If they want to specifically add things to make it only work on Windows you shouldn’t reward them by following along. Find better games to play.
The longer people play along with their game the longer they try to force people onto Windows. Until they are forced to support Linux you shouldn’t support them.
Yeah, well… When the kids want to play Valorant with their friends, it is hard to tell them that thats too bad, because they dont support Linux.
What if they had an Xbox and their friends were playing a PS exclusive game? Would you buy them the new console just so they can play that one game, or would you tell them that sucks but they can try to convince their friends to play a game that supports their system?
Wat? They already have a PC, Im not buying them anything, Im just not cutting away the thing that enables them to play certain games with their friends.
Sure, if it doesn’t cost anything and you aren’t giving anything up, fine. Keep doing what you’re doing. I don’t care. If you’re buying a game, reconsider. If you’re buying an OS, reconsider. If you are tired of having an OS that is literally malware that you don’t control and that is constantly advertising and spying on you, reconsider.
My point of the console example was that no, you won’t just put up with anything just to keep up. Have some boundaries. Stop just letting them push you around. The more you allow it the more they’ll do it. Once people actually start advocating for what’s best for them rather than what a corporation allows them to do then things will improve.
Thats a noble principle but it doesn’t really work when the game is an older or somewhat obscure one without much developer support left. Especially online games that have some fuckery preventing them from running via proton/wine.
I know it’s more of an edge case, but theres dozens of us holding onto some shitty 20-year old MMOs
Most older games work fine. It’s usually the newer ones that are the issue, with kernel level AC. For games to not work requires an active choice most of the time now. Of course, there are some exceptions.
Thank you the link is much appreciated :D
But admit one of my major grips with windows 11 is it’s extremely ugly looking, and I don’t really think there is any way to remedy that
You can replace the default windows UI with an alternative shell like Open Shell (here’s a list). Not sure how reliable this works.
Mhmhmmmh I might try this thank you :}
Take their ESU extension to get one last year of W10 update. At least it gets you time to see if you can migrate on linux maybe.
I’m planning on moving to the IoT edition of windows 10 when support ends. It’s supported till 2032. Hopefully by then the professional apps I need will be sorted out on Linux.
Hmhm for sure
Have they tried not being spyware?
Imo, even taking away the spying thing, windows design is just awful and they somehow manage to pile up fuckups and poor choices as they release new OSs.
It pretty much comes down to wanting to monetize the user experience instead of simply wanting to charge for the OS in the traditional way. The user becomes the commodity instead of the software.
They do charge in the traditional way for the OS.
They also charge the OEMs.
They just want more. The line must always go up.
