So we’re to show no authority against billionaires and their enforcers (police) and validators (law workers/politicians) because it might go too far? Slippery slope claims tend to just reinforce the status quo since it stops people from doing anything functional. The status quo is definitively authoritarian.
Not saying that it has to, but is there an example of “without being generally authoritarian” out there in the wild somewhere? Because imo every country on earth uses authority to uphold some class structure and my country, even if we had all the things we wanted to make us happier (affordable housing, free medical care and education, public transit, etc) it would still show authority over the global south to maintain itself.
Iirc the Spanish and Ukrainian anarchists were doing a good job of that while fighting off fascists and monarchists before the communists stabbed them in the back.
Also the Zapatistas have some territories and practice direct democracy.
My line is you can use force, organised even, but don’t give the state a tool that can, and historically has been, turned on you
And I’m pointing out that history repeats itself when you don’t learn from it.
Just like the fascists of today are fucking shit up like the ones in 1920s-40s Europe, the auth left extremists would fuck shit up like the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
The horseshoe theory shitlibs trot out to defame the left may be bullshit (definitely is), but auth left oppresses people because it’s auth.
You just don’t get good things from a select group excessively controlling everybody, no matter which group that is and how good their initial intentions are.
I don’t agree. They waited until they lost a supermajority in congress to push healthcare reform (what became Obamacare). And dang, wouldn’t you know it, mean old republicans wouldn’t let us have single payer.
So we got a healthcare bill that mandated we buy (generally) private market insurance. A bill written by Penny Pritzker, an insurance industry lobbyist.
It’s kabuki. There’s only one party — the billionaire party.
No, the problem with the leading Dems is that they ONLY respect the institutions. And their owner donors, of course.
They’d rather let a million people die from lack of political action than subvert the Holy System or inconvenience the rich people legally (and sometimes illegally) bribing them.
Haven’t you been reading the news? Apparently you don’t need congress.
People are OK with auth right. But auth left? Oh no, that’s not gonna happen. The military would coup the shit out of that real quick.
Auth Left is still inherently abusive.
No matter how much you pretend that it’s for the greater good, authoritarianism will always be detrimental to the relatively powerless masses.
Using authority against billionaires is good actually
Yeah, but it’s not like auth left stops there.
You can have egalitarian taxation and common sense regulations without being generally authoritarian, and you should.
So we’re to show no authority against billionaires and their enforcers (police) and validators (law workers/politicians) because it might go too far? Slippery slope claims tend to just reinforce the status quo since it stops people from doing anything functional. The status quo is definitively authoritarian.
Not saying that it has to, but is there an example of “without being generally authoritarian” out there in the wild somewhere? Because imo every country on earth uses authority to uphold some class structure and my country, even if we had all the things we wanted to make us happier (affordable housing, free medical care and education, public transit, etc) it would still show authority over the global south to maintain itself.
Iirc the Spanish and Ukrainian anarchists were doing a good job of that while fighting off fascists and monarchists before the communists stabbed them in the back.
Also the Zapatistas have some territories and practice direct democracy.
My line is you can use force, organised even, but don’t give the state a tool that can, and historically has been, turned on you
Oh I’m not pretending anything. Just saying that auth left would never get as far as Trump is getting.
History would very much disagree with you.
Not talking about history. Talking about what would happen today.
And I’m pointing out that history repeats itself when you don’t learn from it.
Just like the fascists of today are fucking shit up like the ones in 1920s-40s Europe, the auth left extremists would fuck shit up like the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
The horseshoe theory shitlibs trot out to defame the left may be bullshit (definitely is), but auth left oppresses people because it’s auth.
You just don’t get good things from a select group excessively controlling everybody, no matter which group that is and how good their initial intentions are.
“People” or Russian bots?
The problem with the Democrats is that they still have respect for the constitution and institutions. Otherwise they’d get a lot done.
I don’t agree. They waited until they lost a supermajority in congress to push healthcare reform (what became Obamacare). And dang, wouldn’t you know it, mean old republicans wouldn’t let us have single payer.
So we got a healthcare bill that mandated we buy (generally) private market insurance. A bill written by Penny Pritzker, an insurance industry lobbyist.
It’s kabuki. There’s only one party — the billionaire party.
~ Julius Nyerere.
No, the problem with the leading Dems is that they ONLY respect the institutions. And their owner donors, of course.
They’d rather let a million people die from lack of political action than subvert the Holy System or inconvenience the rich people legally (and sometimes illegally) bribing them.
The problem with democrats is that they feign respect for the constitution and institutions when it means enabling fascists.
They didn’t give a shit about the constitution or institutions when they ignored the Leahy law to play arms dealer for genocide.
Then why don’t they take office when elected?
They dont have respect. They just would rather see the other guys win than the the window move one nanometer left