All of these services are okay at the beginning. That’s how it always starts, then in a few years there’s an optional subscription and then there are now tiers to the subscription and now you have to use their app and give it every permission on your phone, etcetc.
Stop going to these centralized services. The centralization of ownership is the problem, not any specific website or owner.
Stop going to these centralized services. The centralization of ownership is the problem, not any specific website or owner.
True, we need the Fediverse, but the Fediverse is only a little harder to knock down, not impossible.
Expecially in the US where fighting in court could simply (and often) bankrupt you. All it is needed to take down and instance is asking the provider the owner of the IP and then sue him for something. A company could fight, a private owner no.
Yeah but is the value in the service or the userbase and the data though?
When instances are going down that is at risk and the current federated model isn’t helping that much. Look at lemmynsfw and the other community that went down no so long ago.
Data portability and user migration isn’t so much more evident here quite yet.
Oh yeah, the federated social media software isn’t perfect, I agree.
However, by leaving these giant advertising companies and data silos who side-hustle as a ad-ridden social media sites, we blunt that power which is being used to pour propaganda and misinformation into democratic systems around the world at the whim of a few individuals.
I’ll take some lost data, deleted instances and migration difficulties in exchange.
My idea would be a completely peer to peer system with the possibility of allowing your data to be cached to servers (so your phone isn’t serving a viral video to 10,000,000 viewers, for example) that you choose/own/rent.
Even instances are vulnerable, probably moreso in some areas. For example, if someone bribed the owner of this instance to allow for them to insert malware payloads into the site’s javascript it would be much harder to detect than if Facebook did the same (less eyes on the problem).
It does save us from The Algorithm and the resulting propaganda, so it’s a positive step imo… but you’re right that it needs improvement.
Well yeah but you that feels like a rather elaborate architecture.
Plus what about costs: storage and bandwidth costs quite a lot when looking at meaningful volumes :-/
P2P is getting practical for nn streaming from what I’ve experienced lately given fiber and larger home storage but once you’re looking at niche / not popular content peers are scarce and suddenly it takes ages to get content delivered.
No.
All of these services are okay at the beginning. That’s how it always starts, then in a few years there’s an optional subscription and then there are now tiers to the subscription and now you have to use their app and give it every permission on your phone, etcetc.
Stop going to these centralized services. The centralization of ownership is the problem, not any specific website or owner.
True, we need the Fediverse, but the Fediverse is only a little harder to knock down, not impossible.
Expecially in the US where fighting in court could simply (and often) bankrupt you. All it is needed to take down and instance is asking the provider the owner of the IP and then sue him for something. A company could fight, a private owner no.
Then maybe the federvise should not have addr in USA, maybe they should look after other country’s where you cant sue for everything.
Yeah but is the value in the service or the userbase and the data though?
When instances are going down that is at risk and the current federated model isn’t helping that much. Look at lemmynsfw and the other community that went down no so long ago.
Data portability and user migration isn’t so much more evident here quite yet.
Better sure but not perfect.
Oh yeah, the federated social media software isn’t perfect, I agree.
However, by leaving these giant advertising companies and data silos who side-hustle as a ad-ridden social media sites, we blunt that power which is being used to pour propaganda and misinformation into democratic systems around the world at the whim of a few individuals.
I’ll take some lost data, deleted instances and migration difficulties in exchange.
On that we agree: we must get rid way from those companies. And if possible get more of the general public to join us here.
I would love to see the fediverse being improved along my lines though. That would only improve it, its appeal and overall reliance.
My idea would be a completely peer to peer system with the possibility of allowing your data to be cached to servers (so your phone isn’t serving a viral video to 10,000,000 viewers, for example) that you choose/own/rent.
Even instances are vulnerable, probably moreso in some areas. For example, if someone bribed the owner of this instance to allow for them to insert malware payloads into the site’s javascript it would be much harder to detect than if Facebook did the same (less eyes on the problem).
It does save us from The Algorithm and the resulting propaganda, so it’s a positive step imo… but you’re right that it needs improvement.
Well yeah but you that feels like a rather elaborate architecture.
Plus what about costs: storage and bandwidth costs quite a lot when looking at meaningful volumes :-/
P2P is getting practical for nn streaming from what I’ve experienced lately given fiber and larger home storage but once you’re looking at niche / not popular content peers are scarce and suddenly it takes ages to get content delivered.