Hey all,
I’m setting up a homeserver and trying to figure out the best way to access it remotely. I’ve been looking at different solutions, but I’m a little stuck.
I’ve been looking at VPNs, but it feels weird, to route everything through my home IP when I’m also trying to use a commercial VPN for privacy / to combat services fingerprinting me based on my IP.
I’m currently considering a reverse proxy setup with an authentication provider like authentik or authelia, but as far as I understand, that wouldn’t work well with accessing services through an app on my mobile device (like for jellyfin music for example.) I did think about just opening up the ports and using a DDNS with a reverse proxy, but is’nt that like a big security risk?
Keep in mind I am no network admin, but I don’t have anything against learning if someone can point me in the right direction.
Also I heard some people say that on proxmox you should use unprivileged containers instead of vms for your services, does that hold up?
Any recommendations for tools or approaches?
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Depends I just have a proxy and open port 443. Its not wide open but open enough that others can use it. I geo block have IP lists filter through it and suricata. Or use a VPN if others don’t need access.
Its not wide open but open enough that others can use it
How does that work? Are you saying you are filtering with Suricata? Curious as in my mind a port is either on or off. I am always ready to be schooled.
Tailscale, if you don’t want to make your services available to anyone else than you (and people you want to grant access to).
I am using wireguard for this purpose. My router supports that. It’s a very easy setup and works fine in every is case I encountered except for android car. You do not expose anything to the outside. It’s kind of like logging in to your home network.
I heard you need to exclude Android auto in the WireGuard settings, then it should work.
The reason is that the car communicates via IP with your phone. But when all phone traffic is routed through your home, it can not reach the car.
I’ve been looking at VPNs, but it feels weird, to route everything through my home IP
You don’t have to route all traffic through the VPN. Only traffic for your home network.
I went a different path than the VPN route that seems popular in the other comments…
I use a reverse proxy (caddy) with wildcard SSL (so all my hostnames aren’t in the public cert registry) plus port knocking. So normally no outside IPs are allowed to access my internal services, but I can knock and then access anything for a while. Working well so far.
How’d you setup the port knocking? Is that something caddy does?
I’m using haproxy and was thinking of trying the same thing… not sure if haproxy supports it though, or whether I have to do something else …?
I’ll recommend netbird as its entirely running on your server, is free, and I found it way easier to set up compared to Tailscale/Headscale
Are the free limits suitable for light media streaming by a few users? I’m currently running a simple setup with Caddy reverse proxy and port knocking, but my ISP doesn’t do static IP and they change my address every few months.
I think this may be a your milage may vary thing. I only personally use netbird for remote server management, as I barely consume anything other than streamed music remotely. I host netbird community edition on my server in a VM so the streaming quality isn’t dependent on any tier of service purchased from the company
Tailscale’s free offering goes a long way.
Well, yes I looked at tailscale too, but that would prevent me from using my normal commercial VPN, which I would still like to use. The way I understand it, if I routed my entire network through tailscale to my server, it would essentially make all my internet traffic exit at my server. So, everything would still appear to be coming from my home IP address. I’m trying to get the best of 2 worlds: using the VPN to hide my IP from services that i visit and my ISP, and a secure connection to my home server.
Wouldn’t a MullvadVPN exit node from Tailscale suit your need perfectly? I’m a noob though.
I don’t have an exit node in my tailnet. Through the magic of routing, tailnet stays in tailnet and vpn stays in vpn. I got extra fancy and used gluetun to handle docker vpn traffic, but only for some ports of some containers.
Well, yes I looked at tailscale too, but that would prevent me from using my normal commercial VPN
You can split your devices traffic, Tailscale traffic through Tailscale, everything else through your masking VPN.
I’m trying to get the best of 2 worlds: using the VPN to hide my IP from services that i visit and my ISP, and a secure connection to my home server.
For that, what I would do is put the masking VPN (like PIA or whatever) on your router (not all routers can do this) and then have Tailscale on the devices or individual services. In theory, everything would still be able to talk to each other (even if your mobile device is not behind the router), but everything that is behind the router would enter and exit their traffic wherever you have the masking VPN set to. Downside of doing this is that EVERYTHING that is behind that router is also behind that VPN which can cause problems with some services, like banking and streaming.
It would also mean that the only way you could host a public service is to have an external VPS acting as a reverse proxy. Cloudflare might also have something that could work around this setup, but I’m not familiar with their offerings.
This setup also doesn’t mask your traffic (origin and destination) from your mobile provider (just your home ISP), but that is a harder nut to crack as they can see, real time, where you are physically, and depending on your device, may have deeper device access anyways. I’m thinking prepaid phones and phones bought from the carrier (at least here in the US) or if your carrier has “asked” you to install an app to manage your account. My assumption is that my mobile provider can see anything I do while I have my phone or tablet with me, and just work around that.
You might want to ask in !privacy@lemmy.ml and !privacy@lemmy.world, as this is more up their alley.
I have all my services spun up in docker containers, which makes it easier to pick and choose which services use Tailscale and which use a VPN. I guess I haven’t yet been put in a position where I wanted one to use both.
I’m trying to get the best of 2 worlds: using the VPN to hide my IP from services that i visit and my ISP, and a secure connection to my home server.
How about Cloudflare Tunnels/Zero Trust? The caveat being that you have to own a domain that you can change the nameservers to the ones Cloudflare assigns you. You can purchase a domain from Cloudflare, but I think a lot of people get one from NamesCheap or PorkBun. I purchased on for less than $5 USD. With Cloudflare Tunnels/Zero Trust, you don’t have to open ports, fiddle with NAT, or any of that. You install it on your server and it punches a hole in to allow communication.
Some people like Cloudflare, some people don’t. Personally, I’ve never had any issues except for a very brief downtime a while back.
Cloudflare Tunnels work great and are really easy to setup. Plus you are not exposing you machine completely to the outside, as the cloudflared service/container „calls out“, and Cloudflare is your reverse proxy. Downside is, you’re binding yourself to one of the US hyperscalers.
Pangolin uses the same principle, but is a bit more challenging to setup. Plus you need some kind of cloud server to make it work.
As you already have a VPN active at all times (at least it sounds like that), a VPN home seems out of the picture.
Unless you have a dedicated firewall at home, maybe reconsider the reverse proxy route. Personally would not feel comfortable with exposing a machine at home to the internet in full without a handle on what it can do or how it may be reached.
As you already have a VPN active at all times (at least it sounds like that), a VPN home seems out of the picture.
Expand on that, if you would. I run local VPN and everything else through Cloudflare. In fact the VPN DNS is Cloudflare as well as the stand alone pFsense firewall. Perhaps I am misunderstanding, which is likely since I’m all drugged up trying to pass a kidney stone.
Well, not every system can handle or support multiple VPN connections with different providers, or the VPNs could interfere with each other. E.g. when using Tailscale you can not use another WireGuard based VPN according to their FAQs.
Also, it adds complexity to the stack and system as a whole on the client side. That is all fine and dandy as long as it works, but quickly a pain in the butt once you have to debug something.
Wireguard + OpenVPN works well for me.
OpenVPN fully supports multiple simultaneous connections. But Wireguard is such a pain in the ass with this. But Wireguard dgaf about OpenVPN connections.
when using Tailscale you can not use another WireGuard based VPN according to their FAQs.
Anecdotally, if I turn off the Advanced killswitch and The VPN killswitch of my main VPN, I can actually bring up Tailscale. But you are right, it does add complexity. Basically I use Tailscale on the server and pFsense firewall as an overlay VPN. It’s also handy if you lock yourself out of the server. A ‘backdoor’ of sorts.
Tailscale or Netbird, any of them is better than setting up DDNS and securing the network access yourself.
Personally, i would use VPN, Pihole for Local-DNS Records and a simple Local Reverse Proxy to address my Network-Services. I wouldnt open anything from my Homelab to the Internet.
I run my instance using cloudflare tunnels, directly from my thinkpad (over wifi), these tunnels are helpful because you don’t need to open ports, etc, also, there are other tunneling options, like hosting a server on a VPS that tunnels to your own selfhosted server, as there are some alternatives to cloudflare in that aspect.
Idk, might be an option.
NGINX Proxy Manager and DuckDNS.
Get DuckDNS set up first.
Then go to DuckDNS.org and register a domain.
Then go into NGINX proxy manager.
It’s pretty straightforward, click “add proxy host”, then type the domain from duckdns (I like to do a different subdomain for each service, ie: calibre.mydomain.duckdns.org, homeassistant.mydomain.duckdns.org, etc.) and point it at your container with the service you want to access remotely.
You’ll want to enable let’s encrypt. But other than that the defaults should be fine.
Don’t do this just use tailscale, it’s 100% easier and very fool proof
What’s wrong with this approach?
Personally, I use headscale (self-hosted tailscale) that is open to the internet. Then my phone and all other devices use tailscale clients to connect to that. All my other services are accessed through the tailscale magic DNS service.
Nothing except headscale is open to the internet, and I can access anything I need on the server and other devices. It also doesn’t just route All traffic through my server, only the stuff to other tailscale nodes.
Then just recently I’ve been using Nginx proxy manager and my DNS to make nicer names instead of memorizing a dozen ports for random services I host :p
I’ve been looking at VPNs, but it feels weird, to route everything through my home IP when I’m also trying to use a commercial VPN for privacy / to combat services fingerprinting me based on my IP.
My ASUS WRT router (running Merlin Firmware) forwards my Home WireGuard VPN server through one of my Proton VPN clients, I get all the added bonuses of being connected to my home network, utilizing my PiHole an such, while benefiting from appearing across the world.
I’m currently considering a reverse proxy setup with an authentication provider like authentik or authelia, but as far as I understand, that wouldn’t work well with accessing services through an app on my mobile device (like for jellyfin music for example.)
This is correct, you cannot host an authentication service in front of Jellyfin’s proxy otherwise the Jellyfin Media Player will not connect to your server however, there is a Jellyfin SSO plugin for authentication which is what I use and I disabled the manual login form via CSS but be warned if you take this route that the CSS can be re-enabled on the login screen using your browsers element inspect, I wish you can disable it outright but it’s heavily baked into Jellyfin from what I’ve read.
I suggest setting up a IP-Blacklist for Jellyfin and only whitelisting the known IP’s.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but removing the login form via CSS is just a cosmetic effect and it doesn’t have any effect on your security, since bots will try to brute force the login directly using the login endpoint.
Oh I am fully aware it just cosmetic, that’s why I added this line In my original comment:
but be warned if you take this route that the CSS can be re-enabled on the login screen using your browsers element inspect
hence why I also suggest just outright blacklisting all IP’s and only whitelisting the known few at the reverse proxy level.
My recommendation is a VPN server to connect in from outside and have the default gateway for the VPN clients be a server that acts as a router that’s set up with your commercial VPN.
That way, you can be outside on a phone or a computer, access your internal network and still have your public internet traffic go out through your commercial VPN without having to be able to configure multiple VPN connections at once (eg. Android doesn’t support that).
Eg. 2 debian proxmox containers. One that runs wireguard (head/tailscale might also work here?) for external access and one that runs mullvad(or whoever) VPN cli and IP forwarding to be the gateway for your clients.
Only downside is the extra hops to send everything through your home network first rather than straight to the commercial vpn which is probably fine depending on your speeds. You can always disconnect and connect directly to the commercial VPN for faster internet traffic if you need to.
This is what i did but on the router. I have openwrt on the router. You can install an extension called PBR (policy based routing) on it.
Then you set up one wireguard interface that’s in the same firewall zone as your LAN to your lan and another that’s in the WAN. You can create policies to route any outbound connections (including the ones from your mobile client devices) through the commercial WAN wireguard connection.
In addition for family members access i set up a pangolin instance (kind of like tailscale but selfhosted) on a Hezner VPS and a very simple oauth provider (pocket id) for authentication. Ive got a bunch of users and nobody had any problems with the signup process after i sent them the invite link.
That way i can always be directly in my lan but other users can access without accessing my lan at all.
