lemmynsfw was apparently adminned by a single person, who went awol some time ago, and then stopped paying for the servers recently. An example of why instances should not be controlled by one person, but instead some sort of community.
Then it gets ideological rapidly. How to come to an agreement: majority vs consensus? Once a conclusion is reached, can all press the button or just one delegate? It brings so many questions.
I think it’s much more elegant to just abandon one server in favor of the other.
Yes, it absolutely is, but I don’t think it was ever purposefully designed that way. More like it grew out of the single root account on a server. But I could be wrong.
isn’t that fine? if i don’t want to interact with marxist-leninist instance, for instance, then i don’t itneract with posts or people from there. That’s why we have instance blocking.
I thought the idea of instances is to cater to different clubs or tribes of people.
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
You’d think so, but like… What about disagreements over what type of content should be allowed? Should they allow AI generated stuff? Revenge porn? Illustrated art depicting minors? Specific extreme fetishes?
That feels like a weak argument, revenge porn is a crime, so is illustrated csam. A quick check of why someone thinks either of those should be allowed would either lead to their greater understanding of the topic or the realization that they’re not qualified to make these decisions.
Extreme fetishes could be a hard topic. Needles and blood play skeeve me the hell out, but the flow chart goes “all parties consent and enjoy -> does not incriminate host-> allowed to exist.” So it isn’t up to my skeeves to yuck someone’s yum.
That feels like a weak argument, revenge porn is a crime, so is illustrated csam.
Not everywhere. If it’s legal where the admin lives and legal where the server is hosted, you can’t really make this argument. You could make the argument that it’s morally wrong, but like… the point is that it’s a possible point of contention, and not as cut-and-dried as you suggest.
I personally don’t think they shoukd allow any of that stuff - some of which is illegal anyway - but for the non-illegal stuff like AI nsfw, if they all agree on it they can permit it. OR if only some agree, they can create a seperate instsnce for AI nsfw.
Those are pretty much the only things they have to agree on, right?
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
What does this mean? I’m talking about how an instance should or can be governed. Poster before me indicated an instance should be managed by a community, which drags politics - thus ideology - into the conversation. It’s hard to create community governance on a platform with a single root admin. This is also the case on git repos in terms of governance. And when that is the case, moving away seems the only option, unless the platform developers feel adventurous enough to implement a whole community-as-root-account feature, where they will then run into the questions I’ve mentioned.
There’s a new nsfw place now
I do wonder what happened though to the old one
The internet is for porn before all else
lemmynsfw was apparently adminned by a single person, who went awol some time ago, and then stopped paying for the servers recently. An example of why instances should not be controlled by one person, but instead some sort of community.
Then it gets ideological rapidly. How to come to an agreement: majority vs consensus? Once a conclusion is reached, can all press the button or just one delegate? It brings so many questions.
I think it’s much more elegant to just abandon one server in favor of the other.
isn’t one person controlling a server also an ideological decision?
Yes, it absolutely is, but I don’t think it was ever purposefully designed that way. More like it grew out of the single root account on a server. But I could be wrong.
isn’t that fine? if i don’t want to interact with marxist-leninist instance, for instance, then i don’t itneract with posts or people from there. That’s why we have instance blocking.
I thought the idea of instances is to cater to different clubs or tribes of people.
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
You’d think so, but like… What about disagreements over what type of content should be allowed? Should they allow AI generated stuff? Revenge porn? Illustrated art depicting minors? Specific extreme fetishes?
That feels like a weak argument, revenge porn is a crime, so is illustrated csam. A quick check of why someone thinks either of those should be allowed would either lead to their greater understanding of the topic or the realization that they’re not qualified to make these decisions.
Extreme fetishes could be a hard topic. Needles and blood play skeeve me the hell out, but the flow chart goes “all parties consent and enjoy -> does not incriminate host-> allowed to exist.” So it isn’t up to my skeeves to yuck someone’s yum.
Not everywhere. If it’s legal where the admin lives and legal where the server is hosted, you can’t really make this argument. You could make the argument that it’s morally wrong, but like… the point is that it’s a possible point of contention, and not as cut-and-dried as you suggest.
I personally don’t think they shoukd allow any of that stuff - some of which is illegal anyway - but for the non-illegal stuff like AI nsfw, if they all agree on it they can permit it. OR if only some agree, they can create a seperate instsnce for AI nsfw.
Those are pretty much the only things they have to agree on, right?
What does this mean? I’m talking about how an instance should or can be governed. Poster before me indicated an instance should be managed by a community, which drags politics - thus ideology - into the conversation. It’s hard to create community governance on a platform with a single root admin. This is also the case on git repos in terms of governance. And when that is the case, moving away seems the only option, unless the platform developers feel adventurous enough to implement a whole community-as-root-account feature, where they will then run into the questions I’ve mentioned.
“The Internet needs more porn” is an ideology o can support