US Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is gearing up for a potential Senate or presidential run in 2028, igniting excitement among progressives nationwide. #AOC2028
US Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is gearing up for a potential Senate or presidential run in 2028, igniting excitement among progressives nationwide. #AOC2028
No we aren’t, and no I didn’t. History is packed with countries doing genocides, either of local populations or as part of a colonial project. Russia is currently committing genocide against ethic Ukrainians. China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs. I would argue that the US genocide of native Americans never ended, and the current Hispanic purge is clearly going well beyond just undocumented immigrants.
You are almost certainly correct. It just has nothing to do with your assertion that they should lose the ability to defend themselves.
The resistance is unfortunately pretty irrelevant at this point. This is low key feeding Israeli propaganda that what’s going on is a war.
Calling you a genocide apologist is only borderline offensive? Anyways, since my position is that AOC is not a genocide apologist, this isn’t a “you also” it’s a “just you”.
And? You think Iran (and others) are only interested in ending the Israeli government? Please. The fact that Israel is evil doesn’t make all of Israel’s enemies good. As much as Oct 7 has been abused to justify genocide, it’s a fact that the attacks were focused on civilians, not military or symbols of the Israeli government.
No, you do seize momentum though. A plucky progressive knocking out the highest ranking public face of the Democratic establishment is a pretty big deal. How do you think we get to 3 democratic socialists in the Senate? And again, I have to point out your ridiculous hyperbole. Are you really ignorant enough to think that AOC and Bernie don’t vote differently? Are you really ignorant enough to think that voting is the only tool they have to drive change? A tiny number of progressives in congress have been able to drag the Democrats left on a bunch of issues. You don’t approve of one vote on one amendment that wouldn’t pass anyways for a bill that she also voted against.
Agreeing with it isn’t addressing it? OK. I guess I have to remind you again that there are exactly two claims you made that I disagree with, and that this is irrelevant to both. No, AOC isn’t perfect. No, I don’t have any problem with productive criticism of AOC. Calling her a genocide apologist and claiming that she is complicit in genocide based on a bill she actually voted against is not productive criticism. Hyperbolic bullshit is just going to marginalize you. Why the fuck would AOC ever take you seriously?
With that, I’m done. Go ahead and close it out if you want.
The tu quoque is saying that Palestinians/Iranians are poised to genocide Israelis. This is reactionary garbage without precedent or evidence, Israeli hasbara propaganda that you are echoing point-for-point. The genocide in Gaza is the most flagrant and clear example since 1994, if not since 1945. Little else this century even comes close. Giving defensive weapons to Israel is like giving anti-aircraft weapons to Nazi Germany’s Eastern Front. That is what AOC, along with 400+ representatives in the imperial center, voted to do. It’s meaningless to say that “she made no pro-genocide arguments” when she made a very clear pro-genocide vote. There is no purely diplomatic solution without violence, and only a few delusional people in the Global North fail to understand that.
Your awareness of the world is a fabrication of the State department. If you were honest in talking about Russian genocidal actions, you would have mentioned Chechnya, not Ukraine. Mentioning the Uighurs (who have been targets of surveillance and mass incarceration to a lesser degree than African Americans, not genocided) and leaving out the more dramatic case of the Rohingya is clown shit. Do you pay any attention to news on Earth beyond what the CIA rubber-stamps?
You have an amnesic reading of politics. AOC herself got the same criticism for supporting Sunrise’s sit-ins of Nancy Pelosi’s office. What did the establishment Democrat respond with? Each part of your line of reasoning. The DCCC has been fighting the progressive wing categorically harder than it fights Republicans, from 2016 to 2020 to this year’s mayoral elections.
Seizing momentum means nothing if that momentum doesn’t convert into anything. If you seek to change the Democrats from within without pitching a fundamentally oppositional fight, the party will prevail over the individual. There’s a reason why they call it the Iron Law of Institutions.
I don’t think you “share my view” or “agree with me” on having a different stance than AOC. You don’t distance yourself from someone by defending all of their positions. You’ve admitted to being a compromising tailist. There’s no use talking about “democratic socialists in the House” when you use it as a label with no rigorous definition. On the other hand, the Democratic Socialists of America, a party I’m a member of, has clearly denounced all aid to Israel and distanced itself from AOC, with a supermajority in favor of strict BDS. Arguing against this makes you a right-wing, anti-progress, conservative Democrat. Have fun retreating back to your comfortable political non-position and being on the wrong side of history.
I’m not even certain you’re not a bot, latching onto keywords and outputting a canned response that ignores central points and doesn’t follow the course of argument.