• Thoralf Will@discuss.tchncs.de
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    I would not fly to the US even if I got paid for it. I value my life and the US politics look like a serious threat to my wellbeing.

    So, count me (German) into the group of „stay the hell away from the US“ people.

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      Don’t worry. Americans will start coming to you when things start getting bad here. You’re lucky though. You’ll get the Americans who are able to travel by air.

      Mexico and Canada will get ones who can’t fly because they believe airplanes are demons.

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        Oh they’re already here. One American expat I know greatly enjoys our affordable healthcare, childcare, worker’s rights, tenant’s rights, 30 days of paid leave, customer protections, etc. etc.

        And she’s a Trump supporter.

        Oh, and she thinks there are too many immigrants coming to Germany.

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          It’s certainly more competent than Trumps, but it’s just as evil, presuming you care about morality and not just the material comfort of white Germans

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            As a short term resident in Germany, this is demonstrably false and a straight up lie. It could always change, but immigrants (and citizens who are not white) aren’t getting disappeared and killed in the streets like in the USA.

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              Oh well, that makes the open participation in mass genocide ok then. So long as the horrors are happening overseas, that’s fine, to the comfortable white German.

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    Was recently at a conference and I wasasked if I would give a presentation at one of the Universities in the US. My rather fast no offended them.

    No fucking way, nope nope nope

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      I’ve heard of a big conference this year in the US (decided and planned for years before Trump) that now offers remote participation option.

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        I like to attend in person as a big part is networking, I have many projects that came from sit downs and a few Wines

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          I wholeheartedly agree; but there’s now growing fear all around the world that not even attending to a research conference will save you from ICE if they are behind their daily quota.

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    They know. The voted for it and are witnessing it quietly.

    But don’t forget the files guys. Keep talking about the files instead.

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      They know

      Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media

      They very explicitly and purposefully do not. This is a cornerstone of American domestic power. You cloud the news media with “Crime Wave” hysterics and neoliberal economic truisms, then strategically squelch or discredit any opposition views, from Dan Rather to Steven Colbert.

      This is in large part thanks to a massive consolidation of media ownership over the last forty years, particularly via capture by Big Tech parent companies.

      If “they know”, who told them?

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      As an American, they really don’t know. Its worse than that, they refuse to even look at any evidence of it happening, “its all fake news” they say. I recently got a few of them to finally see it and they instantly got depressed and went down deep and fast; “this is not what I voted for” they said. I’d argue that a lot of the people supporting this bullshit aren’t really bad people, they got conned by a brilliant coordinated effort of corporate propaganda and would be completely against it if they could ever open their eyes and pay attention.

      Politics is not a team sport where you support some side for fun, sadly it has consequences. And I fear with the evolution of modern AI this type of propaganda efforts just got 100 times easier to do today, not only the news are telling us what to think in America, now the AI’s can easily sneakily slip in some agenda to pull us in whatever direction the corporation feels helps them.

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        They voted for hate, this is what they wanted.

        Let them change their behavior, but don’t let them gaslight you, they wanted EXACTLY this.

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    To be fair, before that I was already afraid to go there too. There are so many people with guns and so many mass shootings, my chances of getting shot would skyrocket.

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    You aren’t supposed to travel into Nazi Germany right as they are setting up the concentration camps. US tourism should be zero if you don’t have family here

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    Go read about how empty Las Vegas is and all the people scratching their heads wondering why no one wants to come. Personally, I think the people who say they don’t know are lying or stupid.

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    I watch Telemundo with subtitles in my office when I want to have something on so I can try to learn a little more Spanish. Everyday they’re talking about ICE abducting people. It’s wild. And it’s local Telemundo. This shit is fucked.

    I told someone from UK recently that yeah, America is cool, I think it’s worth seeing some of the national parks, but maybe wait until this administration is out because holy FUCK.

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    Im a Canadian citizen, but was born in Central America. I have tattoos and anti trump memes on my phone. I at least used to tel myself “at leadte if I get arrested and fucked with, the Canadian government will save me”

    Then I saw a report about a white Canadian girl who was detained for weeks. And the Canadian government did nothing and let her rot till the Americans released her. So yeah I ain’t going anywhere near the U.S

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      What is the Canadian government supposed to do about it, invade the US?

      It’s not like reasonable negotiation is getting anyone anywhere.

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        It’s not for me to say what the government should do, im not a diplomat. But I know that ignoring the family and saying nothing about it is not the right response. They should post a travel ban that treats the U.S like North Korea an other “do not travel to for any reason” countries. I for one am done with America and all Americans in general. World would be better off if every American got raptured tomorrow.

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    Remember the countries Trump called shitholes? That’s America for most sane Europeans. It’s a shithole counrty where you’ll be detained if you’ve got a meme of Jester D. Vance.

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    This is how state Russian media works. Never cover the truth, like a war with Ukraine. It’s a “special military operation”.

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      Ok but what does US gov have to gain from just detaining random foreign civilians? I am geniuenly confused why this is happening.

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        Fascists want complete control, and it sends a message not to come here. They only want ‘their kind’, meaning white racist conservatives. Detaining is a power play. Just a reminder, this is the trump government, not the citizens. The majority of people are welcoming, only about 25% of Americans are complete and utter trash.

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          Yeah, that’s a quarter of the population my dude. That’s not a good look. Why would anyone want to go to a place where 1 in every 4 people hate you?

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          You say “only” but one in every four is a pretty significant amount of people who support jailing you just for being brown

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      Loads of people have been “detained” simply for having anything resembling anti trump sentiment on their personal electronic devices. People from many different countries.

      Don’t travel to 'murica. It’s a fascist dictatorship and you do not have rights regardless of your skin color or where your passport is from.

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    Literally just had to explain to my wife that her friends may be OK visiting as they are white but that it’s not a great idea to be travelling to the US.

    Regrettably I feel it’s the minority in alot of countries that have these moral sensibilities

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      AFAIK it’s not a skin color thing. Everyone may get asked to unlock their phones and provide access to their social media. If they don’t like what they see, you get seperated from your children, have to go back or are deported to El Salvador.

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        You are correct that its not entirely a skin color thing, that all that stuff can and does hapoen to anyone, of any nationality/appearance…

        But at the same time, you are way, way more likely to have a really fucking bad outcome the further your skin tone is away from eggshell off white.

        I see stories of southern Italians / Siicillians getting held for weeks, Canadians of Hispanic heritage getting sent to some kind of internment camp… but, white/euro descent Canadians with some minor misdemeanors in the US 10 years ago getting basically just turned away at the border, then eventually they get some kind of visa/residence permit re enabled after some paperwork bs.

        Skin color is absolutely a good general indicator of how bad your outcome is likely to be.

        The … particularly infuriating thing, to me at least, is… these Nazi ICE fucks can’t tell the difference between an indigenous, native American, and a hispanic person, all they see is brown skin, and I am also seeing reports of people of that kind of descent being lumped into roundups and raids.

        They’ve literally been here for thousands, tens, hundreds of thousands of years, but nope, America still hates the fuck out of the Sioux, Choctaw, Commanche, etc etc.

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    This got drag thinking about North Korea. They’re probably like Americans when it comes to knowing what their country does.