Because Kirk had reportedly refused to keep taking money from a prominent Israeli donor, and didn’t want to keep being so pro-Zionist.
Frankly, I don’t actually think that’s totally impossible, though its far from conclusively proven.
However, if you know anything about guns or ballistics… the scenario that has thus far been presented by the FBI as to the kind of weapon that shot Kirk and the angle and distance he was shot from…
Its completely impossible, and does not align with the evidence on the scene.
If Kirk had been shot from basically the front, by a 30.06, in the neck, it would have blown half of his neck off, there would have been a massive back blast of viscera behind him, not the popped geyser of blood from a broadly intact neck that we saw.
What the actual wounds from the autopsy point toward is that roughly a 5.56 round from Kirk’s above and right, entered his upper neck on the right side, traversed around and through various parts of his neck, untill it ended up severing the corotid artery on his right (EDIT) left side and lodging most of itself into his left collar bone.
That bullet trajectory actually matches the specific injuries from the autopsy, and the video evidence.
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the front… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
You can run all the math on the physics of this yourself if you doubt it. I’ve already done it, search through my comment history if you want to see it.
If your instinct here to just instantly defer to the official story:
Who do you trust more?
Random internet person?
Or Kash Patel, the guy who perjured himself repeatedly in order to hide and delay the release of the Epstein files?
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the front… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
So, knowing nothing about 5.56 rounds but having shot a .30-06 at moose/deer/elk: in the 100-200 yard range the bullet will break a rib, travel through the lungs/heart/etc and then often exit the other side on a smaller animal (deer), or be sitting just inside the hide of a larger one (elk/moose).
I have no opinions on the rest of it that’s just been my experience.
Sorry I should have clarified that I meant that at the range of the Kirk shot, roughly 150 yards, a 30.06 has approximately an order or magnitude more kinetic emergy than a 5.56.
Roughly 900 ft-lbs vs roughly 2150 ft-lbs.
Thats another 0, aka, another order of magnitude.
And I stand by a 30.06 at 500 yards having enough KE to shatter a Moose femur.
Whatever happened to the theory that it hit his body armor first and deflected up into his neck? I haven’t looked into this in awhile, but recall seeing a video that looked like that is what happened. That would explain the loss in velocity.
To cause a straight-on shot from a 30.06 or a 5.56 from 150 yards to deflect, at that extreme of an angle, into his neck, externally, he would have had to be wearing plate armor.
Plate armor carriers are quite bulky and noticable.
They would be obviously visible, under a form fitting T Shirt.
There are tons of pics and video of Kirk that day, bending in different directions… at no point does he appear to be wearing a plate carrier under his shirt.
Kevlar or a more flexible kind of armor would not have deflected such a straight-on shot, it would have ‘caught’ it, or just slowed it down and spread some of the impact energy over the rest of his chest, while ultimately failing to stop the bullet from penetrating into him… at the point of impact, which would have left him with a chest/waist entry wound, which does not match the autopsy at all.
Either a straight-on shot to kevlar or plate would have caused brusing and/or fractures to his chest, whether the scenario is deflection or penetration.
Those were not indicated by the autopsy.
If he had been wearing body armor, been shot from the front, and the bullet then ricocheted into his neck…
The shirt would have a hole or tear or at least abrasion damage of some kind where the initial impact happened.
It does not.
He had a backup lapel mic above his right pectoral, which was magnetically attached under his shirt, which then had a wire going across his chest, to a powerbank/transciever on his left side.
The deformation of his shirt was a result of the impact of the round hitting him, causing him to jolt, which knocked off the lapel mic, which tugged on the wire under his shirt.
Kirk wearing the lapel mic at another event:
The visible backup lapel mic above his right pec, immediately prior to being shot:
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”, my bigger worry is referring to .30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible. there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”
As I said, look through my comment history.
.30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
Oh my god, I made a formatting typo, therefore I am wrong.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible.
Not it isn’t, because I am correct, about a 30 awktua 06, from the range it was fired from, impacting Kirk at the angle it did.
You must I guess not be aware or how the intial reports from before the autopsy was fully done/released were that Charlie Kirk must have just had literally superhuman bone strength.
Kolvet claimed a doctor told him Kirk’s “incredibly dense bone” stopped a high-powered round that entered his neck during the September 10 shooting at Utah Valley University.
“It was an absolute miracle that someone else didn’t get killed. It should have gone through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too,” Kolvet quoted the surgeon as saying. Instead, the bullet lodged beneath the skin. He added that Kirk’s body prevented it from striking people standing behind him.
“Even in death, Charlie managed to save the lives of those around him,” Kolvet wrote.
This is, as we say, fucking obvious horseshit.
You of course don’t know about this, because you have not done any research into the actual Kirk assassination whatsoever.
There are many, many more things that involved people said, elements of the supposed story of how Kirk got got… that do line up, that do not make sense, that are inconsistent.
I’m not confident enough to say ‘Israel killed Kirk’ because I have not yet seen conclusive evidence of that.
But I am confident enough to say that the official FBI story is full of obvious holes, say what I said about the 30000000.6, that this all stinks to high heaven.
there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
You could go look through my comment history to see doing that, or, you can just assume I didn’t.
I’ve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods, I’ve shot firearms, I’m one of the ‘realism purists’ when it comes to tactical shooters, I taught myself coding and vector algebra as a teenager literally to solve this ‘problem’ that I thought most games of the time were being too ‘lazy’ about.
I’ve made ballistic models that will figure out likely penetration/ricochet/splatter apart impact angles, when a bullet of various speeds and itself being made of different materials, in different configurations (FMJ, HP, etc), impacts against different materials, which are themselves layered volumetrically.
You don’t need anywhere near that level of real world physical fidelity to be able to confidently state what I stated. Its rather trivial.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
I mean…not to be THAT GUY but this line alone is pretty off. Depends on may factors like any other round, but 5.56 has 1/2-2/3 the energy of a 30-06 round at about 200yd. Ballistic data is pretty easy to come by. Saying that you’ve programmed some stuff for a few games and simulated models doesn’t mean anything at all when your scientific measurement is an imaginary moose femur at 500yds.
Anyway…they have a shooter and his rifle, so I don’t even know why we’re still discussing caliber.
Games that I am working on in my spare time, haven’t finished yet due to spending the last 2 years recovering from becoming homeless amd becoming greivously injured.
Mods for Garrys Mod that don’t exist as I originally made them anymore, because Garry deleted the entire FacePunch forums…
But, if you play with any reasonably advanced SWEP bases… pretty good chance they’re based off of the bones of what I made 20 years ago.
You’re of course free to not believe any of that, but you could also maybe try an actually go through and check the math that I’ve already done.
Its not that hard for a non crippled person to search through a user’s comments.
It is on the other hand quite painful for a crippled person who has been doing nothing other than Physical Therapy for the last year as a full time occupation to keep trifling with MachismoGrande.
Your sources are trust me bro, a shifty sounding website, and your own comments you cannot be bothered to link to. If anything you are saying is true, you’re convincing people it’s not by how you’re reacting here.
Holy shit it’s one of those guys, the “I did my research” guys. I never get to see them these days. Amazing. Imagine this energy used for something like painting miniatures instead
I mean, we can distrust both. I’m not clear on what you think happened. Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer? In any case what is the motivation for lying about the weapon used…?
Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer?
Correct.
I think he was/is a patsy.
I think he did take a weapon, on that day, to the spot he was at… but he cannot have fired the shot that hit Kirk, from that location, with a 30.06.
Also… there is inconsistency about the entire timeline of where he was when, what he did with the weapon, and even what weapon we are even talking about.
Did he… dissassemble it, and then reassemble it, and then go to the location, and then disassemble it, run and jump off the roof, and then reassemble it, and then hide it?
That doesn’t make sense.
The FBI said that he wrapped up the gun in a towel or blanket, and hid it and planned to retrieve it later.
But … the picture of the supposed recovered firearm … is not wrapped in anything, its … in a cardboard box.
The optic is mounted so poorly that it would probably be an overall detriment to making the shot it supposedly made.
So did he… hastily reassemble a weapon he intended to hide, poorly, for some reason?
And did he wrap it up, or put it in a box?
Theres also a … lot of doubt that the correspondence between the shooter/patsy and his ‘boyfriend’, from the day itself is actually real, it uses highly unrealistic language.
You’ve got the weird older crazy guy who loudly announced he was the shooter, but… he wasn’t.
But he also said the point of him doing that was to allow the actual shooter to escape.
A 71-year-old man who was briefly detained moments after the assassination of Charlie Kirk tried to help the suspected gunman escape by faking a confession, authorities say.
Utah County Sheriff Michael Smith said George Zinn admitted to police that he had “yelled that he was the shooter to allow the actual suspect to flee”.
…
Mr Zinn “intentionally yelled he was the shooter and by doing so, obstructed Law Enforcement from focusing on the actual shooter”, the sheriff said in a statement.
Court documents filed by campus police allege that Mr Zinn began shouting: “I shot him - now shoot me.”
…
Mr Zinn is well known among organisers of public events in Salt Lake City, the New York Times reported. “He showed up frequently to public forums with the intention to disrupt the event or question a high-profile speaker,” it said.
He also has a long history of minor crimes, including an arrest in 2013 for sending a threatening email to the hosts of the Salt Lake City Marathon just days after the Boston Marathon bombing, the newspaper wrote.
I mean, I can’t prove this, but if there ever was a plant, a paid agitator, a ‘crisis actor’… this is what it would look like.
I think the kid genuinely did plan and intend to kill Kirk… and that other people knew about this, and essentially shadowed him.
Palantir? Discord?
Oh, yeah, turns out all that shit’s monitored and catalogued in real time.
So, shadow the kid with a crew.
If the kid was gonna do it, great, he did it, mission accomplished.
If not, well, shooter 2 will pull the trigger if patsy wusses out, and then patsy takes the blame.
And I think scenario 2 is what happened there.
Who all, specifically, is involved in scenario 2?
Well, I don’t know all the exact names, but Kash Patel is one of them, you know, Captain Coverup, some of the others would have to be close to Kirk.
All of this, this is all speculation.
As I said, I know what a gun can and can’t do, the rest of this is a fucking mess.
I feel like that’s a little intellectually dishonest to not even consider a theory that opposes the story of the most corrupt and dishonest administration in modern American history. One that has been extremely willing to cover up and lie about Americans who were executed by ICE on video. Especially, when there is in fact so much that is weird and wrong about the official story and the major impact hat it would have to the public to know that Israel can literally murder Americans and the government will sweep it under the rug. I’m not asking you to believe it, I’m asking you to consider the possibility fairly.
I hear you. While being dismissive, i didn’t mean it in a negative way. If that makes sense.
I just don’t see how it would matter, really. If Miller and the Gang killed him so what. If they didn’t kill him but they tried some wack cover up for who knows what reason… i didn’t think it matters either. It’s just another incompetent act.
I get that. Personally, I find it important to know exactly what crimes are being committed against the American people either by a foreign power or by our own government. I can’t blame you for feeling apathetic about it though.
Candace thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
Because Kirk had reportedly refused to keep taking money from a prominent Israeli donor, and didn’t want to keep being so pro-Zionist.
Frankly, I don’t actually think that’s totally impossible, though its far from conclusively proven.
However, if you know anything about guns or ballistics… the scenario that has thus far been presented by the FBI as to the kind of weapon that shot Kirk and the angle and distance he was shot from…
Its completely impossible, and does not align with the evidence on the scene.
If Kirk had been shot from basically the front, by a 30.06, in the neck, it would have blown half of his neck off, there would have been a massive back blast of viscera behind him, not the popped geyser of blood from a broadly intact neck that we saw.
What the actual wounds from the autopsy point toward is that roughly a 5.56 round from Kirk’s above and right, entered his upper neck on the right side, traversed around and through various parts of his neck, untill it ended up severing the corotid artery on his
right(EDIT) left side and lodging most of itself into his left collar bone.That bullet trajectory actually matches the specific injuries from the autopsy, and the video evidence.
A 30.06 from roughly 150 yards away, from the front… would have zero chance of embedding itself into a collar bone.
It would detonate it, shatter it, blow it apart.
A 30.06 from 500 yards away will shatter the femur of a moose… there’s an order of magnitude more kinetic energy in a 30.06 than a 5.56 round.
You can run all the math on the physics of this yourself if you doubt it. I’ve already done it, search through my comment history if you want to see it.
If your instinct here to just instantly defer to the official story:
Who do you trust more?
Random internet person?
Or Kash Patel, the guy who perjured himself repeatedly in order to hide and delay the release of the Epstein files?
I mean, if right wingers wanted Charlie Kirk dead, who am I to complain?
Because it’s more proof Israel is infiltrating and extorting the US government.
So, knowing nothing about 5.56 rounds but having shot a .30-06 at moose/deer/elk: in the 100-200 yard range the bullet will break a rib, travel through the lungs/heart/etc and then often exit the other side on a smaller animal (deer), or be sitting just inside the hide of a larger one (elk/moose).
I have no opinions on the rest of it that’s just been my experience.
Sorry I should have clarified that I meant that at the range of the Kirk shot, roughly 150 yards, a 30.06 has approximately an order or magnitude more kinetic emergy than a 5.56.
Roughly 900 ft-lbs vs roughly 2150 ft-lbs.
Thats another 0, aka, another order of magnitude.
And I stand by a 30.06 at 500 yards having enough KE to shatter a Moose femur.
Whatever happened to the theory that it hit his body armor first and deflected up into his neck? I haven’t looked into this in awhile, but recall seeing a video that looked like that is what happened. That would explain the loss in velocity.
He was not wearing body armor.
To cause a straight-on shot from a 30.06 or a 5.56 from 150 yards to deflect, at that extreme of an angle, into his neck, externally, he would have had to be wearing plate armor.
Plate armor carriers are quite bulky and noticable.
They would be obviously visible, under a form fitting T Shirt.
There are tons of pics and video of Kirk that day, bending in different directions… at no point does he appear to be wearing a plate carrier under his shirt.
Kevlar or a more flexible kind of armor would not have deflected such a straight-on shot, it would have ‘caught’ it, or just slowed it down and spread some of the impact energy over the rest of his chest, while ultimately failing to stop the bullet from penetrating into him… at the point of impact, which would have left him with a chest/waist entry wound, which does not match the autopsy at all.
Either a straight-on shot to kevlar or plate would have caused brusing and/or fractures to his chest, whether the scenario is deflection or penetration.
Those were not indicated by the autopsy.
If he had been wearing body armor, been shot from the front, and the bullet then ricocheted into his neck…
The shirt would have a hole or tear or at least abrasion damage of some kind where the initial impact happened.
It does not.
He had a backup lapel mic above his right pectoral, which was magnetically attached under his shirt, which then had a wire going across his chest, to a powerbank/transciever on his left side.
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/viral-conspiracy-theory-about-charlie-kirks-death-is-false/
The deformation of his shirt was a result of the impact of the round hitting him, causing him to jolt, which knocked off the lapel mic, which tugged on the wire under his shirt.
Kirk wearing the lapel mic at another event:
The visible backup lapel mic above his right pec, immediately prior to being shot:
while I sorta doubt you did the “math on the physics”, my bigger worry is referring to .30-06 as 30.06, as one of those doesn’t exist, as far as I’m aware.
but stating, factually, that there is “zero chance” of the bullet embedding in the collarbone, is pretty irresponsible. there are a multitude of other things that need to be accounted for in ballistics analysis, which even then can be misinterpreted.
As I said, look through my comment history.
Oh my god, I made a formatting typo, therefore I am wrong.
Not it isn’t, because I am correct, about a 30 awktua 06, from the range it was fired from, impacting Kirk at the angle it did.
You must I guess not be aware or how the intial reports from before the autopsy was fully done/released were that Charlie Kirk must have just had literally superhuman bone strength.
https://www.totalprosports.com/general/surgeon-makes-miracle-claim-after-operating-on-charlie-kirk-everyone-doubts/
This is, as we say, fucking obvious horseshit.
You of course don’t know about this, because you have not done any research into the actual Kirk assassination whatsoever.
There are many, many more things that involved people said, elements of the supposed story of how Kirk got got… that do line up, that do not make sense, that are inconsistent.
I’m not confident enough to say ‘Israel killed Kirk’ because I have not yet seen conclusive evidence of that.
But I am confident enough to say that the official FBI story is full of obvious holes, say what I said about the 30000000.6, that this all stinks to high heaven.
You could go look through my comment history to see doing that, or, you can just assume I didn’t.
I’ve designed entire realistic ballistic physics models for games and mods, I’ve shot firearms, I’m one of the ‘realism purists’ when it comes to tactical shooters, I taught myself coding and vector algebra as a teenager literally to solve this ‘problem’ that I thought most games of the time were being too ‘lazy’ about.
I’ve made ballistic models that will figure out likely penetration/ricochet/splatter apart impact angles, when a bullet of various speeds and itself being made of different materials, in different configurations (FMJ, HP, etc), impacts against different materials, which are themselves layered volumetrically.
You don’t need anywhere near that level of real world physical fidelity to be able to confidently state what I stated. Its rather trivial.
I mean…not to be THAT GUY but this line alone is pretty off. Depends on may factors like any other round, but 5.56 has 1/2-2/3 the energy of a 30-06 round at about 200yd. Ballistic data is pretty easy to come by. Saying that you’ve programmed some stuff for a few games and simulated models doesn’t mean anything at all when your scientific measurement is an imaginary moose femur at 500yds.
Anyway…they have a shooter and his rifle, so I don’t even know why we’re still discussing caliber.
That’s so cool. Which ones?
Games that I am working on in my spare time, haven’t finished yet due to spending the last 2 years recovering from becoming homeless amd becoming greivously injured.
Mods for Garrys Mod that don’t exist as I originally made them anymore, because Garry deleted the entire FacePunch forums…
But, if you play with any reasonably advanced SWEP bases… pretty good chance they’re based off of the bones of what I made 20 years ago.
You’re of course free to not believe any of that, but you could also maybe try an actually go through and check the math that I’ve already done.
Its not that hard for a non crippled person to search through a user’s comments.
It is on the other hand quite painful for a crippled person who has been doing nothing other than Physical Therapy for the last year as a full time occupation to keep trifling with MachismoGrande.
Your sources are trust me bro, a shifty sounding website, and your own comments you cannot be bothered to link to. If anything you are saying is true, you’re convincing people it’s not by how you’re reacting here.
I skimmed your comment history and don’t see any math there. If you’re going to make such claims, show your work.
Holy shit it’s one of those guys, the “I did my research” guys. I never get to see them these days. Amazing. Imagine this energy used for something like painting miniatures instead
I mean, we can distrust both. I’m not clear on what you think happened. Do you not think the person arrested for this is the killer? In any case what is the motivation for lying about the weapon used…?
Correct.
I think he was/is a patsy.
I think he did take a weapon, on that day, to the spot he was at… but he cannot have fired the shot that hit Kirk, from that location, with a 30.06.
Also… there is inconsistency about the entire timeline of where he was when, what he did with the weapon, and even what weapon we are even talking about.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Trp2oAltsj0
Did he… dissassemble it, and then reassemble it, and then go to the location, and then disassemble it, run and jump off the roof, and then reassemble it, and then hide it?
That doesn’t make sense.
The FBI said that he wrapped up the gun in a towel or blanket, and hid it and planned to retrieve it later.
But … the picture of the supposed recovered firearm … is not wrapped in anything, its … in a cardboard box.
The optic is mounted so poorly that it would probably be an overall detriment to making the shot it supposedly made.
So did he… hastily reassemble a weapon he intended to hide, poorly, for some reason?
And did he wrap it up, or put it in a box?
Theres also a … lot of doubt that the correspondence between the shooter/patsy and his ‘boyfriend’, from the day itself is actually real, it uses highly unrealistic language.
You’ve got the weird older crazy guy who loudly announced he was the shooter, but… he wasn’t.
But he also said the point of him doing that was to allow the actual shooter to escape.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20e1jx0p5jo
I mean, I can’t prove this, but if there ever was a plant, a paid agitator, a ‘crisis actor’… this is what it would look like.
I think the kid genuinely did plan and intend to kill Kirk… and that other people knew about this, and essentially shadowed him.
Palantir? Discord?
Oh, yeah, turns out all that shit’s monitored and catalogued in real time.
So, shadow the kid with a crew.
If the kid was gonna do it, great, he did it, mission accomplished.
If not, well, shooter 2 will pull the trigger if patsy wusses out, and then patsy takes the blame.
And I think scenario 2 is what happened there.
Who all, specifically, is involved in scenario 2?
Well, I don’t know all the exact names, but Kash Patel is one of them, you know, Captain Coverup, some of the others would have to be close to Kirk.
All of this, this is all speculation.
As I said, I know what a gun can and can’t do, the rest of this is a fucking mess.
Wait so he’s a patsy
But he also killed him
They just went the extra mile to change the rifle (and angle)?
Yeah i am not going to entertain a stupid grassy knoll theory about Chucky kirk, of all people.
I feel like that’s a little intellectually dishonest to not even consider a theory that opposes the story of the most corrupt and dishonest administration in modern American history. One that has been extremely willing to cover up and lie about Americans who were executed by ICE on video. Especially, when there is in fact so much that is weird and wrong about the official story and the major impact hat it would have to the public to know that Israel can literally murder Americans and the government will sweep it under the rug. I’m not asking you to believe it, I’m asking you to consider the possibility fairly.
I hear you. While being dismissive, i didn’t mean it in a negative way. If that makes sense.
I just don’t see how it would matter, really. If Miller and the Gang killed him so what. If they didn’t kill him but they tried some wack cover up for who knows what reason… i didn’t think it matters either. It’s just another incompetent act.
I get that. Personally, I find it important to know exactly what crimes are being committed against the American people either by a foreign power or by our own government. I can’t blame you for feeling apathetic about it though.