So my girlfriend/myself and her (platonic) partner have a lot of different viewpoints. For starters, the partner, “Alex,” believes that undocumented immigrants are “illegal” and breaking the law, but my girlfriend and I think that immigrants of any kind make countries better. Alex hates ICE because Alex thinks they are at least too brutal, and Alex supports LGBT as a non-binary person but is a Christian with a lot of more “conservative” views (Alex isn’t COMPLETELY conservative, but their views could be considered that).

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    Cultural-diversity PROVABLY increases patent-rate: immigration is, done right, economic gold.

    https://henrich.fas.harvard.edu/sites/g/files/omnuum5811/files/2025-07/Posch%2BSchulz%2BHenrich%2B-%2BSurname%2BDiversity%2BInnovation.pdf

    Notice I said “done right”: Sweden’s doing it wrong, & getting highjacked.


    Years ago, I read that in Germany, homeschooling was illegal…

    & my animal-reaction against that was: “that is WRONG”.

    through the years, though, seeing how cults use “education” as a means of highjacking countries … finally I understood the rightness of their position, ON CONDITION THAT the state-education was being done right.

    ( which it isn’t, here in the Americas, no idea how well the EU people are doing it )

    Now I understand how excellent education is what is required, & it has to be state provided, & NOT dumbing-down, & not disempowering, & not one-size-fits-all ( obliterating diversity-of-potential for sake of institutional-comfort/establishment )…


    Understand that Leninism & fascism both eradicate critical-thinking for sake of … imprint-reaction programming “education”, & that identifies the required-standard for education: 80% of the population NEEDS to be competent in critical-reasoning, consistently, XOR you’re sinking, as a country.

    In the US, that isn’t doable: it’s a lost cause.


    Now consider what’s required to deal with disagreements:

    Ideology/prejudice holds that it is the PERSON that is the problem, & conforming/obedience is the only “right” way…

    Critical-thinking, however, is issue centered, & it works best when the issue is diagrammed, visual-spacially, this-depends-on-that, this-choice-decides-between-these-2-paths, etc…

    until the people considering the meaning can SEE the Pattern of its implications & consequences, see?

    Issue-diagrams are THE required means for civilization to survive The Great Filter.

    Get the animal-reacting programming out from the process, XOR we’re DarwinAward’d as a whole species, this century.


    The evidence I linked-to, above, shows that cultural-diversity increases economic generation-of-inventions … but ideology doesn’t care what evidence says.

    What makes some person “illegal”?

    The fact that some legalism decided they’re illegal?

    XOR their values?

    XOR their religion?

    XOR their skin-color?

    XOR their gender?

    XOR their ancestry?

    XOR their location?


    Here’s a question that your conservative friend will be dealing-with, soon:

    Trump put-in-place a 2-sided “coin”, to activate later.

    1-side of that “coin”, ICE, is nearly-completely in-place ( though the incinerators aren’t yet being built: those will begin being built when dictatorship’s instantiated ).

    The de-naturalization law, however, he’s been just leaving alone…

    Once dictatorship’s established ( probably the Insurrection Act, possibly Martial Law, if any terrorism hands him “jutification” ), then he’ll de-naturalize all non-Republicans.

    Suddenly, ALL Democrats become “illegals”.

    How does your conservative friend feel about that?

    Right there, you’re going to face the difference between thinking vs ideological-programming.

    I hope they think, but … it’s their choice.

    All the Trump-supporters who have been deported ( US Citizens, green-card people, & illegal-immigrants too ) all are evidence that their view isn’t objective: they believed that the harm wouldn’t touch them, then it did.

    Objectivity & correct-reasoning both are required, but so is worldview-adapting-to-evidence, NOT worldview-fighting-off-evidence-that-won’t-obey, right?


    Try issue-diagramming, so the entire Pattern of each issue is visible, simultaneously, & see if better-quality communication can happen then.

    Pencil & paper’s fine.

    Each node/decision having “pros” closer to the goal, & “cons” on the other side of it, away from the goal…

    & see how the decisions form a structure, complete with dependencies.

    Maybe that’ll help clarify things…


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