In my field of work, and in my country, the wages are set. At least it’s an agreement between the employer and th union. I can’t bargain or press for higher wages. My wage is predefined and will go up according to a preset because of the union
I have 37 hours a week. This is the maximum hours they allow.
I am happy for my job and I’d rather do more of something that makes me happy than have to look for an extra job in a different place. Let alone have to go to a different place of work when I could as well take more hours where I am. They do need extra employees but have to hire substitutes to cover the work
Mate you’re living the dream. Inflexibility works in favour of the employee.
Imagine everything you do, and going above and beyond, and working extra hours, as a way of your boss manipulating your team so when performance reviews time comes in they can say the usual scripts:
you’re not getting a raise that covers inflation and I’m sorry but it’s out of my control
our company didn’t make as much money as we expected ( and they never do because of infinite growth mindset on a finite planet)
the other companies are doing much worse than us
your co worker did this and that and it was so helpful, you should aim for doing double of what they did ( guilt trip that they will also do on your co worker that got the same raise as you, and heard what YOU did that now they have to top)
Source: I’ve been a manager in a big corpo and I’ve done and or seen all of the above. More seen than done, because I’ve kept my conscience sorta close to me.
The problem with that mindset is if it’s allowed, you’ll all end up working more hours but for less or similar pay. I don’t know if there is a fix for it except going independent.
You get paid for your lunch break as well. And you get paid more than in Sweden. Maybe that’s the bribe for needing to live in Denmark 😛
But you don’t have any individual salary discussions whatsoever? We also love our kollektivavtal, but you still usually get a certain percentage that’s to be split around the employees… and there’s nothing hindering you from negotiating higher outside of these discussions; if my raise was decided to be 3%, I could still talk to my boss a couple weeks later and say I want an additional 10% or I’m quitting. There’s nothing union-related that’d block him doing that.
But it’s still usually best to hop to a new place after a couple years, if numbers are the biggest factor for you.
I am new in this. Been at it for just over a year and only just got a full time, no end contract in February so I don’t feel like I can press too hard. I feel like I pressed pretty hard to get the contract so I’ll let it rest for now.
The EU ion actually told me that any wage negotiation needs to go through the representative at the organization but they feel like I could be eligible for a higher pay even though I am not officially (don’t have enough experience on the field but I am good at it, have had no sick days and have multiple years experience from a similar job that uses a different union so it does not officially count as experience)
I feel like the union has been a bit limiting for my situation although know they are there to protect me. It’s just not very flexible and maybe built around fairly rigid and predefined stereotypical employee lifestyles
It’s fine. I already had. Akon interview last week and got the job for substitute hours in a city close by.
The thing is, that organisation is in the same situation as the one I’m in. They have people employed, who want more hours but they aren’t allowed to give them, because of the union. So their people have to find work in my city, some even where I work, and I have to find extra work there… it’s just innefective and a waste, it seems like
I want to earn more, not spend more time at work.
But I mean, I’m no shamer, if it floats your boat!
In my field of work, and in my country, the wages are set. At least it’s an agreement between the employer and th union. I can’t bargain or press for higher wages. My wage is predefined and will go up according to a preset because of the union
I have 37 hours a week. This is the maximum hours they allow.
I am happy for my job and I’d rather do more of something that makes me happy than have to look for an extra job in a different place. Let alone have to go to a different place of work when I could as well take more hours where I am. They do need extra employees but have to hire substitutes to cover the work
I’m gonna go against the grain here and say this sounds fairly silly and slightly horrible
Mate you’re living the dream. Inflexibility works in favour of the employee.
Imagine everything you do, and going above and beyond, and working extra hours, as a way of your boss manipulating your team so when performance reviews time comes in they can say the usual scripts:
Source: I’ve been a manager in a big corpo and I’ve done and or seen all of the above. More seen than done, because I’ve kept my conscience sorta close to me.
The problem with that mindset is if it’s allowed, you’ll all end up working more hours but for less or similar pay. I don’t know if there is a fix for it except going independent.
Yes I can see the risk.
You get paid for your lunch break as well. And you get paid more than in Sweden. Maybe that’s the bribe for needing to live in Denmark 😛
But you don’t have any individual salary discussions whatsoever? We also love our kollektivavtal, but you still usually get a certain percentage that’s to be split around the employees… and there’s nothing hindering you from negotiating higher outside of these discussions; if my raise was decided to be 3%, I could still talk to my boss a couple weeks later and say I want an additional 10% or I’m quitting. There’s nothing union-related that’d block him doing that.
But it’s still usually best to hop to a new place after a couple years, if numbers are the biggest factor for you.
I am new in this. Been at it for just over a year and only just got a full time, no end contract in February so I don’t feel like I can press too hard. I feel like I pressed pretty hard to get the contract so I’ll let it rest for now.
The EU ion actually told me that any wage negotiation needs to go through the representative at the organization but they feel like I could be eligible for a higher pay even though I am not officially (don’t have enough experience on the field but I am good at it, have had no sick days and have multiple years experience from a similar job that uses a different union so it does not officially count as experience)
I feel like the union has been a bit limiting for my situation although know they are there to protect me. It’s just not very flexible and maybe built around fairly rigid and predefined stereotypical employee lifestyles
Hmmm. Maybe you could start a side business in the field you currently do?
It’s fine. I already had. Akon interview last week and got the job for substitute hours in a city close by.
The thing is, that organisation is in the same situation as the one I’m in. They have people employed, who want more hours but they aren’t allowed to give them, because of the union. So their people have to find work in my city, some even where I work, and I have to find extra work there… it’s just innefective and a waste, it seems like
From my perspective it sounds like y’all don’t get paid enough.