Alright fine, proto-fascistic, or you could argue that it’s been so fully incorporated into the fascist mythology that it’s effectively a part of it. It’s not as if fascism arose from the aether. Also while I wouldn’t call your average member of the athenian polis “white” supremacist, they were absolutely supremacists.
True, fascist mythology is to a big degree about projecting a golden thread through history. The Germanic people for example do not have a coherent history as the Nazis made it look like. By saying that the narrative is thousands of years old, you imply that western history really is as coherent as fascists make it look like; that European or White identity really is an old thing.
It’s not as if fascism arose from the aether.
I’ll give you a few centuries, 5 or 6 if I’m generous, but not a millennium, much less “many thousand years”.
Also while I wouldn’t call your average member of the athenian polis “white” supremacist, they were absolutely supremacists.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. In this context “fascistic” is a descriptive/indexical term not trying to literally say “the ideological form of facism we understand nowadays arose directly from the legal code of Solon of Athens.”.
but it’s not going to be easy to convince people that a many thousand year old narrative is “wrong”.
So which narrative are you referring to? Is there really a narrative that is many thousand years old? Or are you saying that the narrative is about many thousand years? Your comment reads like the idea that democracy is invented in Athens (and therefore by white Europeans) is many thousand years old which doesn’t make much sense to me.
Is there really a narrative that is many thousand years old?
Yeah I’d say the Athenian political narrative had mostly matured no later than Demosthenes. Obviously it’s been interpreated and re-interpreted, and twisted and turned into all sorts of purposes, but the broad strokes have largely been taught the same in Europe since then.
Alright fine, proto-fascistic, or you could argue that it’s been so fully incorporated into the fascist mythology that it’s effectively a part of it. It’s not as if fascism arose from the aether. Also while I wouldn’t call your average member of the athenian polis “white” supremacist, they were absolutely supremacists.
True, fascist mythology is to a big degree about projecting a golden thread through history. The Germanic people for example do not have a coherent history as the Nazis made it look like. By saying that the narrative is thousands of years old, you imply that western history really is as coherent as fascists make it look like; that European or White identity really is an old thing.
I’ll give you a few centuries, 5 or 6 if I’m generous, but not a millennium, much less “many thousand years”.
Which is a very different narrative.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say. In this context “fascistic” is a descriptive/indexical term not trying to literally say “the ideological form of facism we understand nowadays arose directly from the legal code of Solon of Athens.”.
In your first comment, you said:
So which narrative are you referring to? Is there really a narrative that is many thousand years old? Or are you saying that the narrative is about many thousand years? Your comment reads like the idea that democracy is invented in Athens (and therefore by white Europeans) is many thousand years old which doesn’t make much sense to me.
Yeah I’d say the Athenian political narrative had mostly matured no later than Demosthenes. Obviously it’s been interpreated and re-interpreted, and twisted and turned into all sorts of purposes, but the broad strokes have largely been taught the same in Europe since then.