• VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
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        And then it took another fifteen years for the Rebellion to go from disparate groups that fought each other as much as they fought the Empire to a united front.

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        And it worked, historically, and fictitiously.

        You can’t vote your way out imperialism, you need to feverish oppose all forms of oppression. Whether at the ballot, and at a deathcamp.

        #Landback when?

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          It did not work fictionally. Nobody supports rebels in a democracy. They are rooted out of their communities and punished as terrorists. Only when it was no longer a democracy did the rebellion work. The same is true historically. If the people being oppressed can vote for their rulers, violently attacking them instead always fails.

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              Yet Myanmar ,

              Myanmar wasn’t a democracy.

              Thailand ,

              This prime minister was removed by the court, not by violence.

              Nepal , and

              This is the only example you gave of a democratically elected official who was violently overthrown. I said that if you violently overthrow a democratically elected tyrant, the majority will simply democratically install a new tyrant. That’s exactly what happened in Bangladesh, with the same party being elected after it was violently removed. Nepal seems to be a vanishingly a rare counterexample. We’ll see how long that lasts.

              Spain uprooted their oppressors violently without democracy.

              Spain also wasn’t a democracy.

              South Korea kept it’s democracy by taking the tyrant violently .

              Also removed by the court, not by rebel violence.

              It just seems the disconnect is plain old complacency.

              No, if you violently remove a democratically elected official, that official will be democratically replaced with more of the same. Violence doesn’t magically change voters’ minds to agree with you.