We all do. Listing “trans” and “autistic” in the middle of a list of abhorrent traits/behaviors they have/committed is a blatant indicator of transphobia regardless of who we’re talking about.
It’s relevant if its been used successfully in a court of law to defend a rape they commited. Or the individual in question has used being trans to excuse non consensual sexual deviance. This is a discussion about an individual not a group. Nuance and context are important. Also, don’t you think this individual would want at least those two labels applied to them? Wouldn’t including them be respectful of their wishes/identity? If expressing this text makes you think I’m a hateful transphobe you should definitely block me.
this is a type of bigotry too though… “grow a pair” bro are you even real? How do you not see that type of language or “rhetoric” as equally derisive as the “lumping in”? Can’t both statements be harmful (exclusive/reductive) for different reasons?
“Grow a pair” is often interpreted as a suggestion that stupid or neglected people should go punch trees, which has likely rarely helped anyone understand sensitive issues any better, to actually follow through on such types of “advice”
it’s in the same ballpark as “get a life”, “whatever”, or more harsh ridicules like “F-off or direct suggestions that someone should harm themselves intentionally, presumably on behalf of the anguishing speaker, just applied to a different audience, depending on what type of reaction is desired to be invoked by the exclamation of emotion.
Your just coming across as morally the equivalent of a Nazi defender, because they are trans they can’t also be a racist, sexist Nazi? Who is a horrid person and should be banned from the internet and likely locked in a jail cell?
They are saying that they dislike that the Nazi being trans/autistic is being mentioned at all, it’s not relevant to their “being horrible”-ness even if those labels technically apply, so since the list of things they are described by has so many horrible things,it seems to imply that those are the things by which they should be hated for,not just generic descriptive labels, which is why seeing those two specific non horribleness defining traits stand out. I don’t really care but just trying to clarify. ILYSM
It’s relevant if its been used successfully in a court of law to defend a rape they commited. Or the individual in question has used being trans to excuse non consensual sexual deviance. This is a discussion about an individual not a group. Nuance and context are important.Also, don’t you think this individual would want at least those two labels applied to them? Wouldn’t including them be respectful of their wishes/identity? If expressing this text makes you think I’m a hateful transphobe you should definitely block me.
As I said, I don’t really care since they’re quite the POS and this is not a court of law. I just wanted to give extra context to give proper framing to the point that I felt the other commenter didn’t properly drive through. If you still disagree, fine by me, no need to be so combative <3
No, you were pretty clear in what you said. Not sure why people upvoted that explanation instead of yours.
Taking all the misgendering here into account too, this shit is like calling Jesse Lee Peterson the N-word and defending oneself by saying that because he is a horrible person it’s okay to do so.
We all do. Listing “trans” and “autistic” in the middle of a list of abhorrent traits/behaviors they have/committed is a blatant indicator of transphobia regardless of who we’re talking about.
Why did you fail to mention “mentally ill?”
Extreme dementophobia, please get help.
It’s relevant if its been used successfully in a court of law to defend a rape they commited. Or the individual in question has used being trans to excuse non consensual sexual deviance. This is a discussion about an individual not a group. Nuance and context are important. Also, don’t you think this individual would want at least those two labels applied to them? Wouldn’t including them be respectful of their wishes/identity? If expressing this text makes you think I’m a hateful transphobe you should definitely block me.
Cope harder, transphobe.
If you’re gonna do it and defend it, grow a pair and own up to it. 😒
this is a type of bigotry too though… “grow a pair” bro are you even real? How do you not see that type of language or “rhetoric” as equally derisive as the “lumping in”? Can’t both statements be harmful (exclusive/reductive) for different reasons?
“Grow a pair” is often interpreted as a suggestion that stupid or neglected people should go punch trees, which has likely rarely helped anyone understand sensitive issues any better, to actually follow through on such types of “advice”
it’s in the same ballpark as “get a life”, “whatever”, or more harsh ridicules like “F-off or direct suggestions that someone should harm themselves intentionally, presumably on behalf of the anguishing speaker, just applied to a different audience, depending on what type of reaction is desired to be invoked by the exclamation of emotion.
Will you admit that you’re dementophobic?
Apologize now.
You give anyone applying that label with genuine cause a bad name and weaken its meaning.
Genuinely lump trans people in with rapists (etc.) for the cause of hating them all you want. Just grow a pair and own it, dude.
How can I become not a transphobe? is transitioning my language the best way?
Your just coming across as morally the equivalent of a Nazi defender, because they are trans they can’t also be a racist, sexist Nazi? Who is a horrid person and should be banned from the internet and likely locked in a jail cell?
Where is the defence in that comment? They are just saying being trans is not relevant at all.
They are saying that they dislike that the Nazi being trans/autistic is being mentioned at all, it’s not relevant to their “being horrible”-ness even if those labels technically apply, so since the list of things they are described by has so many horrible things,it seems to imply that those are the things by which they should be hated for,not just generic descriptive labels, which is why seeing those two specific non horribleness defining traits stand out. I don’t really care but just trying to clarify. ILYSM
It’s relevant if its been used successfully in a court of law to defend a rape they commited. Or the individual in question has used being trans to excuse non consensual sexual deviance. This is a discussion about an individual not a group. Nuance and context are important.Also, don’t you think this individual would want at least those two labels applied to them? Wouldn’t including them be respectful of their wishes/identity? If expressing this text makes you think I’m a hateful transphobe you should definitely block me.
As I said, I don’t really care since they’re quite the POS and this is not a court of law. I just wanted to give extra context to give proper framing to the point that I felt the other commenter didn’t properly drive through. If you still disagree, fine by me, no need to be so combative <3
Couldn’t have said it better myself. @Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world
Thanks :3
No, you were pretty clear in what you said. Not sure why people upvoted that explanation instead of yours.
Taking all the misgendering here into account too, this shit is like calling Jesse Lee Peterson the N-word and defending oneself by saying that because he is a horrible person it’s okay to do so.
So, now “trans” and “mentally ill” and “autism” are derogatory labels comparable to racial slurs?
Oh dear.
Do you realize how insulting that is to everyone with autism and mental illness, and trans for that matter?