I’m not defending the tactic of recording her without her knowledge. But I am confused. The article said she was shopping. It never said she stole anything. It never said she did anything incriminating. It never said she did anything embarassing.
So I guess my question is…why did she care that a video of her grocery shopping was posted? Seems like a boring video that she really can’t be blackmailed over. She’s (assumingly) fully clothed while shopping. Not doing anything illegal.
I guess I’m confused over why this is a thing at all. A bunch of boring videos of women grocery shopping.
Is there some context I’m missing? I’m not defending it. I just don’t get it. I don’t get why guys are recording women grocery shopping. I don’t get why the women care. They do know the store itself is also recording them from every angle right? And I also don’t get who would watch the posted video.
The first unmistakeable clue was that it was a man doing this to a woman. The BBC article that saimen@feddit.org posted in this thread removes all doubt as to the purpose (emphasis mine):
Alice was walking into a London shopping centre when she was approached by a man wearing smart glasses. She says she had no idea she was being filmed.
“In the moment I just thought ‘OK this guy is just trying to talk to me, to chat me up’,” she said.
“I was hoping that he would leave me alone eventually but he did actually follow me.”
The video was posted on social media and viewed about 40,000 times, though Alice only found out about it after a friend sent it to her.
“My initial reaction was complete shock,” she said. “He had no phone, he did not have a camera directly in my face.”
The videos are often posted on social media under the guise of giving dating advice to other men online.
That last line . . . think about what’s going on in that area of the internet, use your imagination, fill in the missing blanks.
That said, I appreciate that your character is such to have not instantly jumped to this conclusion. But in the world we now occupy, there’s generally not a whole lot of innocence in a dude filming a woman without her knowledge or consent.
Grok, undress her, render this entire scene as if she had no clothes… or was only wearing cellophane, whatever.
… Its still wild to me that people will do something like that, when you can literally just go to a strip club and look, or look at the vast, uncountable amount of erotica or porn that people freely post of themselves.
… Oh dear god.
Somebody is going to wear these things into a strip club and sell it like a fucking virtu in cyberpunk 77.
That’s because it’s not about the nudity or the sexual gratification. It’s about humiliating another person. It gives certain people a sense of power and they find that euphoric. And for those who watch these videos, well voyeurism is a thing.
Yeah, my only quibble would be that for the violators, well, they do get off on power tripping, being able to fuck with other people in ways that they cannot prevent or stymie.
Its basically the rapist/groomer type of mindset.
So it does end up being sexual, but basically via extra steps.
But yes… its fucked up either way, also fucked up as a potential business model.
POV porn exists, you could just actually work out an agreement with a strip club to basically rent it out to do a shoot one day, if you wanted to end up with pretty much the same kind of video, except everyone involved actually signed up for it.
POV porn exists, you could just actually work out an agreement with a strip club to basically rent it out to do a shoot one day, if you wanted to end up with pretty much the same kind of video, except everyone involved actually signed up for it.
But that’s kind of the point. They want people who didn’t “sign up for it”. That’s part of the allure for these people. And for the viewer side as well. I have literally watched people angrily debate that a video depicting such things was “faked” and that counted as a negative for the people who watch those. I honestly don’t get what the difference is between a person who’s getting a paycheck and somebody who’s being stalked and fucked with for somebody who’s watching that sort of content. But sadly they exist in far too large numbers.
I’d imagine strip clubs are going to be one of the few places you won’t see these things. They don’t want private videos of inside their establishment, and they aren’t a ‘public’ place so they can refuse to let you in with them.
I don’t know if you’ve been to a American strip club.
Rules often tend to be more like ‘guidelines’, that don’t actually exist as long as you appear to be following them, appear to understand the concept of plausible deniability, and/or are throwing around enough money to make people look the other way.
Pay the cover, play it cool, don’t ask stupid questions, don’t get caught?
Why should she be ok with a random stranger recording her? Whether doing something illegal or not. Why can’t people just not fuck with people? Why does she have to defend her peace?
I think they must be pushing back on the term “extortion” in the title, when it’s really “harassment“. I don’t think they implied that it’s fine, just that the title was not representative of the actual story.
Did you miss the multiple points in my message where I said I’m not defending it? I don’t understand why the guy is recording. I don’t get why these random people care. From the second you leave your house, 90% of your day is recorded. Between doorbell cameras, and red light cameras, and store cameras, and dash cams on other cars. You’re being recorded pretty much everywhere except for the bathroom.
I don’t understand the outrage because I don’t get the hook.
Like if you said this guy was following just one woman, repeatedly, then I would understand. That’s stalking.
If he were doing it at the beach, I would understand, because clearly there’s a sexual element to what he’s doing.
But I don’t understand the hook, because I don’t get why he’s doing it. What’s the appeal of watching random women at the grocery store? What’s the point in posting them online? What is the cause of the outrage? You’re being recorded from his glasses, yes, but you’re also being recorded from like 8 other camera angles with or without him. And I don’t understand posting them online. Who would watch these videos?
NONE of it makes sense to me. You seem to think I’m attacking this woman, when in fact what I’m asking is “What the hell is any of this?” Either the article left out some key piece of context that explains everything, or I just don’t get it. But I’m not attacking her.
What is the cause of the outrage? You’re being recorded from his glasses, yes, but you’re also being recorded from like 8 other camera angles with or without him
You seriously see no difference between store cameras recording for liability and some rando recording for lul$? The night-and-day difference between what a person agrees to with a store while shopping inside it and what is thrust on them by a rando with no regs on retention and security, is the absolute same to you? Really?
Sure, but the store isn’t posting those videos on social media for people to comment on. If they were, they’d probably get sued, and for good reason.
I mean, the rest of your comment aside, this isn’t the case. You are in public. In fact, you’re “in public” in a private establishment, with which you have an assumed agreement to be recorded and for that recording to be used in any way the company sees fit.
There are thousands of recordings of people from security cameras on YouTube. From Walmart to tiny gas stations, all being used to farm interactions. One channel I’ve seen puts up explicitly videos of people stealing from them.
None of that can be sued over. Or more accurately, it wouldn’t be a successful suit. Because there is no expectation of privacy in public.
Not only possible, then they’ll share that data with other vendors and you’ll be pre-crime-prohibited from shopping anywhere using the same stuff. It’s fucking gross.
It’s a candid video of her being shared publically online to creep on her. Probably focused on her body. Imagine it happening to your sister or daughter.
Is it not embarrassing enough just to get caught talking to a guy with smart glasses? That part aside, maybe she said or did something that, if described, would make the video easier to find. No reason to feed the troll if he puts it back up.
I’m not defending the tactic of recording her without her knowledge. But I am confused. The article said she was shopping. It never said she stole anything. It never said she did anything incriminating. It never said she did anything embarassing.
So I guess my question is…why did she care that a video of her grocery shopping was posted? Seems like a boring video that she really can’t be blackmailed over. She’s (assumingly) fully clothed while shopping. Not doing anything illegal.
I guess I’m confused over why this is a thing at all. A bunch of boring videos of women grocery shopping.
Is there some context I’m missing? I’m not defending it. I just don’t get it. I don’t get why guys are recording women grocery shopping. I don’t get why the women care. They do know the store itself is also recording them from every angle right? And I also don’t get who would watch the posted video.
What am I missing here?
The first unmistakeable clue was that it was a man doing this to a woman. The BBC article that saimen@feddit.org posted in this thread removes all doubt as to the purpose (emphasis mine):
That last line . . . think about what’s going on in that area of the internet, use your imagination, fill in the missing blanks.
That said, I appreciate that your character is such to have not instantly jumped to this conclusion. But in the world we now occupy, there’s generally not a whole lot of innocence in a dude filming a woman without her knowledge or consent.
Grok, undress her, render this entire scene as if she had no clothes… or was only wearing cellophane, whatever.
… Its still wild to me that people will do something like that, when you can literally just go to a strip club and look, or look at the vast, uncountable amount of erotica or porn that people freely post of themselves.
… Oh dear god.
Somebody is going to wear these things into a strip club and sell it like a fucking virtu in cyberpunk 77.
That’s because it’s not about the nudity or the sexual gratification. It’s about humiliating another person. It gives certain people a sense of power and they find that euphoric. And for those who watch these videos, well voyeurism is a thing.
Yeah, my only quibble would be that for the violators, well, they do get off on power tripping, being able to fuck with other people in ways that they cannot prevent or stymie.
Its basically the rapist/groomer type of mindset.
So it does end up being sexual, but basically via extra steps.
But yes… its fucked up either way, also fucked up as a potential business model.
POV porn exists, you could just actually work out an agreement with a strip club to basically rent it out to do a shoot one day, if you wanted to end up with pretty much the same kind of video, except everyone involved actually signed up for it.
But that’s kind of the point. They want people who didn’t “sign up for it”. That’s part of the allure for these people. And for the viewer side as well. I have literally watched people angrily debate that a video depicting such things was “faked” and that counted as a negative for the people who watch those. I honestly don’t get what the difference is between a person who’s getting a paycheck and somebody who’s being stalked and fucked with for somebody who’s watching that sort of content. But sadly they exist in far too large numbers.
I mean… yeah.
IMO, those are the kind of people who should be on a list… not trans people who would like to be able to use a public bathroom.
But, we live in a world where apparently 40% of cops with access to camera networks that track liscense plate movement, use that to stalk their exes.
I’d imagine strip clubs are going to be one of the few places you won’t see these things. They don’t want private videos of inside their establishment, and they aren’t a ‘public’ place so they can refuse to let you in with them.
I don’t know if you’ve been to a American strip club.
Rules often tend to be more like ‘guidelines’, that don’t actually exist as long as you appear to be following them, appear to understand the concept of plausible deniability, and/or are throwing around enough money to make people look the other way.
Pay the cover, play it cool, don’t ask stupid questions, don’t get caught?
I can absolutely see this happening.
Why should she be ok with a random stranger recording her? Whether doing something illegal or not. Why can’t people just not fuck with people? Why does she have to defend her peace?
I think they must be pushing back on the term “extortion” in the title, when it’s really “harassment“. I don’t think they implied that it’s fine, just that the title was not representative of the actual story.
It’s extortion because he was refusing to take the video down unless she paid.
Yes, the original bbc article this one is referring to is much less clickbaity:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy87wqz0q9o
This is a much better article.
Did you miss the multiple points in my message where I said I’m not defending it? I don’t understand why the guy is recording. I don’t get why these random people care. From the second you leave your house, 90% of your day is recorded. Between doorbell cameras, and red light cameras, and store cameras, and dash cams on other cars. You’re being recorded pretty much everywhere except for the bathroom.
I don’t understand the outrage because I don’t get the hook.
Like if you said this guy was following just one woman, repeatedly, then I would understand. That’s stalking.
If he were doing it at the beach, I would understand, because clearly there’s a sexual element to what he’s doing.
But I don’t understand the hook, because I don’t get why he’s doing it. What’s the appeal of watching random women at the grocery store? What’s the point in posting them online? What is the cause of the outrage? You’re being recorded from his glasses, yes, but you’re also being recorded from like 8 other camera angles with or without him. And I don’t understand posting them online. Who would watch these videos?
NONE of it makes sense to me. You seem to think I’m attacking this woman, when in fact what I’m asking is “What the hell is any of this?” Either the article left out some key piece of context that explains everything, or I just don’t get it. But I’m not attacking her.
You seriously see no difference between store cameras recording for liability and some rando recording for lul$? The night-and-day difference between what a person agrees to with a store while shopping inside it and what is thrust on them by a rando with no regs on retention and security, is the absolute same to you? Really?
Really?
For “content”.
Because creeps can stalk and harass you online.
There’s a video on YouTube of a guy counting to 100,000. That’s it. Simply counting out loud in a droning voice. It has over 33 million views. What’s the appeal of that?
Sure, but the store isn’t posting those videos on social media for people to comment on. If they were, they’d probably get sued, and for good reason.
I mean, the rest of your comment aside, this isn’t the case. You are in public. In fact, you’re “in public” in a private establishment, with which you have an assumed agreement to be recorded and for that recording to be used in any way the company sees fit.
There are thousands of recordings of people from security cameras on YouTube. From Walmart to tiny gas stations, all being used to farm interactions. One channel I’ve seen puts up explicitly videos of people stealing from them.
None of that can be sued over. Or more accurately, it wouldn’t be a successful suit. Because there is no expectation of privacy in public.
You can record a video of someone shopping, and then feed it to a visual AI.
Blamo presto, now they’re a shoplifter, or at least everyone on social media thinks they are.
The possibilities are endless.
https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/more-than-a-dozen-wrongful-arrests-due-to-police-reliance-on-facial-recognition-technology
Not only possible, then they’ll share that data with other vendors and you’ll be pre-crime-prohibited from shopping anywhere using the same stuff. It’s fucking gross.
a healthy sense of self respect, for starters
It’s a candid video of her being shared publically online to creep on her. Probably focused on her body. Imagine it happening to your sister or daughter.
Is it not embarrassing enough just to get caught talking to a guy with smart glasses? That part aside, maybe she said or did something that, if described, would make the video easier to find. No reason to feed the troll if he puts it back up.