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      Iran has the right to defend itself from covetous bloodthirsty jizzrali scum.

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        Ideally not one more human dies from war and we can start the process of healing. I think that you can see historically that fighting fire with fire tends to burn everything and everyone. It becomes fuel for group X to revenge on group Y which itself becomes fuel for group Y to revenge on group X and ultimately no one and most definitely not the future generation will know peace.

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            I am sure somehow more war and death will bring peace unlike the rest of human history where more war and death caused more war and death. I am positive this time is different.

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              We cant allow these crimes against humanity to go unanswered.

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                That was never my argument. Even after WWII there were the Nuremberg trials. Justice should always be there for anyone who committed a war crime regardless of which side of the war they were on and regardless of which country.

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              It’s not about being different from history that matters, it’s being different from the present, Israel is a genocidal supremacist illegal state, it blockaded Gaza completely after it got threatened to stop killing and invading in other countries

              Israelis are dancing in gyms to music the lyrics of “We will burn down your towns”, they’re threatening to rape people in their pro-occupation parades, the state is humiliating and torturing their victims and their victims’s saviors

              Peace and love after missiles to Tel Aviv, if Israelis are not fleeing to Gaza and Lebanon there’s not going to be love or peace, because they don’t want love or peace

              Remember that they have nukes? Complacency, support, diplomacy and pressure only make them continue the genocide?

              Missiles to Tel Aviv before more millions get displaced or die

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                I’m not arguing really anything you are saying beyond one thing. When I said I hope not one more person dies from war and everyone on earth can know peace I meant everyone. That infers that any aggressor stops their aggression and that we start working together to know peace. I feel that if the fighting actually stopped (and yes I am aware there have been false ceasefires and bad faith peace talks) and I mean actually stopped right now this moment that trading that for killing more people would be unfortunate. It would be of a greater service to those who come after us to forge peace so that they may know peace.

                It’s a philosophical question but if you personally had the choice over actual lasting peace and wellbeing vs killing more people which will likely not bring actual lasting peace and wellbeing what would you choose for yourself and future generations?

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                  I agree with your stance. However, it’s all magical thinking anyway.

                  And if the bombs stopped one day, never to begin again, it’s hard to avoid wishing for the last ones to fall on Don, Bibi, Hegseth, and all the other ghouls.

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                  I’d always choose lasting peace and wellbeing happily, i love everyone and i want everyone to live a happy life

                  Neighbors of Israel can’t, so my case on the missiles does not change, i’m not asking for equal destruction using fragmentation shells, bio weapons or torture, i’m asking for change in population or government’s stance on human life

                  That’s not going to happen as educating Israelis is terrorist activity and grounds for imprisonment, the government is never going to change their stance so long as supportive capitalists have capital in capitalism system, capitalism is never going to change with US foreign interference policy

                  peace and wellbeing is based off of equality, maybe seeing the destruction happening locally will put the images of leveled cities they cheered for in a different light giving birth to that equality

                  Missiles to Tel Aviv

                  (I’m sorry but my take on this is well rooted in reality so i have to keep referencing it to make my point and i’m sorry if that’s not what you wanted, i don’t really see the point in sheltering israel based on theory and i just refuse even entertaining that thought so i don’t offend the dead)

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          Or just the end to needless and avoidable suffering and wellbeing for all minds anywhere in existence.

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              I’m not sure that is really the thing holding everyone back. Like gays aren’t being brutally murdered or women being raped, or public funds embezzled because America empire. People are actually just kinda bad unto themselves. If America disappeared today I think our issues would still be there with corruption and poverty.

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                for us to achieve no suffering like you’d want, we would have to eliminate it’s sources. and the us sponsors most of the murder rape and corruption worldwide.

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          The violence isn’t avoidable. Everytime the marginalized do a peaceful protest, the government sends in the riot police to batter them.

          Everytime Palestinians diplomatically asked for Freedom, the Israelis bombed them and then stole their land.

          Everytime someone criticizes zionism, they are either censored or straight up arrested and thrown in jail.

          You simply do not live in the material reality. You are a highly ignorant and Class unconscious individual.