• CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip
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    2 days ago

    Where the fuck is “free the nipple” coming in? Yeah, guys are horny and do see nipples sexually. Why? That’s because our nipples generally look differently and thus it is easier to differentiate them from a woman’s nipple that for whatever reason (not important at the moment) has been labeled as sexual and taboo.

    Nudist societies exist and are great examples of how when things like nipples become nothing more than just another part of the body, especially with societal undertones having changed because those cannot be ignored and have been hard-wired into our brains for many decades. But when people get over the undertones, it really does become just another part of the body.

    Calling men pathetic for defending our pride and constitution is frankly pathetic in itself, and it’s comments that target a wide group of people and degrade them for something they largely cannot control and most of us don’t even understand the sexuality related to things like that, it’s like blaming a snake for not knowing how to walk after you gave it legs.

    Yeah, a guy’s feminism probably won’t be as “fierce” for lack of a better word because we do not directly feel and often not even see the issues that women tend to be facing. But there are also multiple definitions that people have established for feminism, and they are very different. One is practically just justice. The idea that men and women should be effectively equal, as in a society that no longer requires extreme strength to push a plough, there is no reason at all why there should be a gender inequality. After all, as we continue to learn more about humanity’s early past, we learn that the hunters and gatherers each were about 50/50 men and women. Humanity is more than capable of equality.

    But if in fighting for women’s power you actively demote and push men down to stand above them, you will find resistance. I stand to be equal. I stand to see a future where it doesn’t matter what gender the president is. I don’t stand for a future where women choke men down for an “equality” that is really just spiteful revenge for the past. Because the future is not the past. And people will not stand for that. But I also don’t stand for things to continue to be male-only just because they have been.

    I will not continue to debate if you attempt to degrade my argument like a “full-blown gorilla in an enclosure having a fit of rage hate” because that is both not what I am doing and it is not productive.

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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      2 days ago

      Sorry I tried but I couldn’t. Read all that, but I did just want to say. There is a large coop of the free the nip by incels.

      Its not a new thing. False flag feminism is a decently well known problem.

      • CyberTheProtogen@lemmy.zip
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        Alright fair I did sort of write an essay. In broad summary, I’m arguing that for the most part it’s not individual men to blame for that but rather the fact that society for centuries has been very strict in that sense. In nudist societies it is shown that people eventually do stop caring, showing that the problem is not men. I’m arguing that men shouldn’t really be blamed for a social undertone even they don’t fully understand being the reason why “staring at a nipple all day” isn’t mostly a problem because of society.

        Also there are two types of feminism I’ve seen people talk of. One type is practical equality, and the other actively pushes men down in attempt to rise up. The second kind of feminism is likely to blame for a large percentage of men not involving themselves in feminism because arguments like these make it look like feminism is about painting men in a negative light. And of course anyone would resist something that wants to shut you down because of something you can’t control