The US government is finally learning it’s capitalist system can’t compete with China in terms of AI. Someone finally got through to them capitalism will cause America to lose the AI race. Too little too late. Why they still call everyone communist and socialist, turns out they’re doing the same except it’s corporations that are allowed to be socialists and communists.
Rules for thee and not for me.
Kleptocracy.
Whithouse: which opinion will piss off the most Americans?
I’m downloading all of Netflix library to train my LLM.
Well copyrights either apply to all or to none. We aren’t going to make exceptions for someone’s favourite companies.
Really cool how the supreme court doesnt give a shit about the law anymore and like half their rulings are “ik the law says we cant do this, but that would be really inconvenient so it doesnt matter”
Alright, then copyright is dead.
Ad block and canceling subscriptions it is then.
Yarhar!
This just in… I think I’m going to start training my own LLM on various movies, TV shows, and music. US government said it was ok.
Peak capitalism, steal everything from the masses, remix and regurgitate it so no one is the wiser, then sell it back to them via a subscription model.
Makes me sick.
Rules for thee, not for me.
Pirating anything isn’t illegal anymore. If the government can pick and choose people and groups who don’t have to pay for patent or copyright, then there are no patents or copyrights.
To clarify, this is the government’s position, not the law. This hasn’t been officially ruled on yet.
In a lawsuit that The New York Times filed against OpenAI, the Trump administration has contributed a 20-page brief in defense of the ChatGPT maker’s unlicensed use of copyrighted material to train its LLMs.
However, it’s not looking promising in legal terms either.
Pirating was illegal? When?
Aaron Schwartz’s prosecution was always bullshit. RIP.
Precedent that copyright is not legally enforceable
Yeah, I wouldn’t be as upset if the playing field was level. Alright, you can slurp up and remix the world’s works, but so can anyone, for any reason, for free. Personally, I think use restrictions should only target commercial use, but I’m sure that’s a much more divisive topic. We have a law that is not being applied to those most likely to abuse it at scale.
Precedent that laws don’t apply to billionaires.
Crime is legal now.
Got it, so then they’re outlaws and I can do whatever I want to them.
Precendent was already there. Copyright has never been enforceable when it’s transformative. Collage is legal, so was training neural nets before the copyright industry saw money in it.
No one is saying they output of an llm is copyright (this is a different debate).
What people are talking about is they stole copyright work. They pirated from torrent sights mass amounts of data. That’s the violation at problem.
The output of the training, the model (LLM) itself, is transformative. I’m not talking about the output of the llm nor was the person I was responding to.
The pirating issue has nothing to do with the current lawsuit (the New York Times one mentioned in the article) nor did the government mention it in the current context.
That being said, I’m a pirate in my personal life, and I also think it’s kind of a necessary evil when it comes to building SOTA models. I wish we had a copy left solution to it, so you can use pirated data but need to open source it, so open source has a fighting chance and big AI can buy it if they want it. I’m okay with openAI and anthropic getting brought into court about it I guess, but the legislation ends up being market capture in their favor in the end.
I understand the issues though, very “rule for thee but not for me” currently.
which technically makes piracy legal because that’s the gov endorsing piracy
should update torrent client to say “LLM training agent” instead, legally safe /s
I consider myself somewhat of a LLM.
there’s a Morrissey song about that
yup
Legal for them, not for us
Peasants like us can contribute to global leadership by being wage slaves and cannon fodder
Those were supposed to be the clanker jobs while we humans guided technical innovation, pursued art, culture, philosophy, and solving the biggest problems of humanity.
amen, brother!
Nah we might need to accept reality. You need to be rich enough to make some bullshit company that uses A.I. then you can pirate legally using that A.I. as an excuse.
You need a $$$/hr lawyer to pull <$100 LLC paperwork out of their briefcase. “My client was just training his company’s innovative new LLM.” We live in an odd world.
so Norm was right. …
Chinese models like Kimi are already competing head-to-head with Claude Opus in term of capability. And the main reason that kimi isn’t as widely used as Claude is because Chinese companies aren’t burning investors money to keep subscription prices low. I wonder how long will this dominance can last. Since investor money will eventually run out. and once that happens, what plans do they have to keep competing with free open weight models that already closed the gap.
The problem with capitalism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.
