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      what you seem to be cool about is with the us militarily funding white supremacist groups in ukraine to kill ethnic russian in the donetsk and luhansk. you’re so full of shit you can’t even say anything about past imperialist projects by the us, those are probably real and verified by the cia, but you would have said the same shit you’re saying now if this were vietnam. you’d be convincing me how the vietnamese are filthy red rats who’re no better than shit and that you’re doing a better job since you’re bringing democracy to them. you’re white, you know better than them. it’s a rule.

      don’t come to me with bullshit moraline because i don’t want a single hit of that cia fabricated crap.

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          https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/040/2014/en/ https://www.hrw.org/report/2016/07/21/you-dont-exist/arbitrary-detentions-enforced-disappearances-and-torture-eastern

          i can’t say these are very good sources since they’re western so they’re in bed with the us regime.

          It’s not Europe. It’s a bit different… There is a war here. The law has changed, procedures have been simplified… If I choose to, I can have you arrested right now, put a bag over your head and lock you up in a cellar for 30 days on suspicion of aiding separatists. –Aidar battalion commander to Amnesty International researcher

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            An article from Russian state-owned media?

            As far as the report goes, I’ll have to get back to you on that when I have a chance to read it. But leading with an RIA article doesn’t really help your article.

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              Yes. State media often has better access to public figures, like this one which cites the president of the Republic. I could also waste my time looking an article by the very unbiased BBC or AP or Reuters paraphrasing this one, but personally I prefer getting as close as possible to first hand sources. I also prefer to remain critical of all media, and read articles critically instead of short-circuiting my brain to “is this on list of media my bourgeois government approved for me?”

              Having done that its pretty clear - which one can corrobate if they wish - that the president of the Republic urged its citizens to evavuate to Russia due to the increasingly aggressive attacks by Ukrainian artillery on civilians.
              I then gave you a report that supported his claims. Sorry I dared to use state affiliated media in order to quote a state official on actions taken by the state. I’ll do better next time and look for something written in a newspaper owned by a proper american oligarch or one with a track record about lying properly to further American foreign interests

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                is this on list of media my bourgeois government approved for me?"

                Oh, well I guess you got me there. Better go ahead and share the bourgeois Russian state media source.

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                  Hey buddy, how about responding to the rest of what I wrote? Or are you just going to retreat to your grotto, dismayed that you were given something that challenged your conventions?

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                    they do this all the time, ignore all the overwhelming evidence and only focus on one thing that looks like they can dismantle. Not in name of a legit argument but because of an intense chauvinistic and reactionary impulse to defend their worldview.

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                  Would have been a good if I hadnt written the rest of what I wrote, now it just looks like you struggle with reading.