There has been outrage after a small town in eastern Germany banned the installation of new Holocaust memorial plaques that mark the last known residence or workplace of Jews and other victims of the genocide.

Crossposted from https://thebrainbin.org/m/germany@feddit.org/t/1945027

A small town in eastern Germany banned the installation of new Holocaust memorial plaques that mark the last known residence or workplace of Jews and other victims of the genocide.

The motion was proposed by the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) and the centre-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU)…

      • EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
        141·
        9 hours ago

        Stalin killed trillions with his comically sized spoon by eating all the grain of Ukraine

          • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
            11·
            7 hours ago

            The 1932–33 famine was not a genocide by any stretch of the imagination, except in the imagination of the Banderite fascists, who coined the term holomodor in the 1980s to evoke comparison to the Holocaust. But they are not comparable, because 1) the famine wasn’t intentional, and 2) more people died per capita in other parts of the Soviet Union than in Ukraine, and in particular more per capita in Russia proper than in Ukraine. The notion started as fascist, anti-communist double genocide propaganda, and you’re still propagating it today, over a generation after the fall of the Soviet Union.

            • modem_down@thebrainbin.orgOP
              110·
              7 hours ago

              The 1932–33 famine was not a genocide by any stretch of the imagination

              Given that most serious genocide scholars regard the Holodomor as a genocide, you’re simply wrong.

              double genocide

              The double genocide article you posted links to the Holomor denial article, which describes your behaviour:

              ‘Holodomor denial is easily distinguished from serious scholarship, and “generally consists of especially vitriolic anti-Western and anti-Ukrainian tirades,” often accompanied by accusations of foreign influence, Nazi sympathies, or ulterior motives.’

              Blocked. Genocide denial crosses the line.

              • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
                12·
                6 hours ago

                Yes, many “serious” scholars in the imperial core regard it as a genocide, but outside of that minority, scholars around the world do not.

                Welcome to Lemmy, your first exposure to voices outside of the capitalist/imperialist echo chamber that most of us had ever been exposed to.

          • EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
            111·
            8 hours ago

            linking to a wikipedia article and calling Holodomor a genocide is fucking pathetic of you. It’s just double genocide theory which is a form of genocide trivialization and undermines the severity that genocide carries

      • BanMeFromPosting@lemmy.ml
        15·
        9 hours ago

        Lmao this guy trusts wikipedia as an unbiased source on political questions.
        It states “as high as 148 million” and then uses This online article as a source - An article that is incredibly flawed, but also an article that is discussing death by starvation and counts those as “state killings”. The academic work in the article is questionable, to say the least, and it is odd to use a source discussion famine to support claims of “killings” - Especially without adressing it. Following the same methodology the modern western governments are responsible for billions of deaths.
        We could go through every source and the general methodology and find issues all the way throughout (Like quoting Zbigniew Brzezinski lmao wtf, so much for “unbiased” or “neutral”), but I won’t waste my time, because I know to people like you the idea of dismissing wikipedia is akin to heresy to a spaniard in the 1700’s.

        edit: I should also mention the “as low as 10-20 million” is equally fraught and disingenuous. If we are going to count something ridiculous like some random dumbass on the internets claims, then we ought to do the same for the low estimate - Which would be about 0 then.

        edit: Forgot to mention that youre talking specifically about soviets, while referring to an article that’s just generally about “communist mass killings.” Seems like you don’t know what you’re talking about and you just search for any article to back you up when pressured, without actually understanding the content of the article. Typical, but still sad.

        One has to wonder on the methodology of the article, what constitutes a “communist” mass killing? It makes allusions to both the USSR and PRC, neither of which claimed or claims to be communist, but rather socialist. If the authors of the article can’t even get such a basic thing right, then I have little faith in the quality of the rest of it.
        I didn’t want to waste my time reading the drivel closely, but I could see the other source of the 148 million claim included the Khmer Rouge - a regime installed and backed by the US. How does that fall under “communist”?

          • Sherad@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            7·
            5 hours ago

            Look mang you really have been kinda disingenuous and frankly incurious.

            You need to look into the methodology used in the black book of communism, the lengths they went to tack on as many zeroes as possible, the fact that they include German nazi soldier deaths from ww2 as part of the numbers alone - does that really not make you feel like… a little curious as to the angle? Its use as a propaganda piece? Can you be as critical of the millions of deaths attributed to capitalism? Imperialism? Do you levy such criticisms… ever?

            “their evil communist propaganda, our good and noble capitalist truth”

            I do hope you look into the origins of “whataboutism” like the other posters said, if you can stop your knees from jerking for but a moment. Speaking human to human here.

          • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
            62·
            7 hours ago

            I think they’re funny when they only exist in the imaginations of people like you, lmfao.

            Right, so no sources.

            • modem_down@thebrainbin.orgOP
              210·
              7 hours ago
              • You: Sources?
              • Me: [Points to article with dozens of reputable sources.]
              • You: Right, so no sources.

              Sheer denialism.

                • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml
                  3·
                  5 hours ago

                  “Unborn Nazis” is literally what the black book of communism is calling victims of communism, you should do some more research before you remove comments, mod.

                • modem_down@thebrainbin.orgOP
                  29·
                  6 hours ago

                  Which source is reputable?

                  Why should I list them all for you, when I’ve already linked to the article that does so? Here are just a few:

                  • Bellamy, Alex J. (2012), “Massacres and Morality: Mass Killing in an Age of Civilian Immunity” (PDF), Human Rights Quarterly, 34 (4), The Johns Hopkins University Press: 927‒958, doi:10.1353/hrq.2012.0066, JSTOR 23352235, S2CID 86858244
                  • Bradley, Mark Philip (2017), “Human Rights and Communism”, in Fürst, Juliane; Pons, Silvio; Selden, Mark (eds.), The Cambridge History of Communism: Volume 3, Endgames? Late Communism in Global Perspective, 1968 to the Present, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 978-1-108-50935-0.
                  • Karlsson, Klas-Göran; Schoenhals, Michael (2008), Crimes against humanity under communist regimes – Research review, Forum for Living History, ISBN 978-91-977487-2-8.
                  • Valentino, Benjamin (2005). Final Solutions: Mass Killing and Genocide in the Twentieth Century. Cornell University Press. ISBN 9780801472732.

                  Calling unborn Nazis victims of the soviet union is laughable at best.

                  Calling an unborn person a Nazi is about as offensive as it gets. Blocked.