I’m pulled back and forth with this one. On the one hand, 4chan is a shithole that should be taken care of. On the other side, UK laws that try to govern the internet are so overly deranged shit.
Look at bigger picture. Ignore that it is 4Chan and imagine it is a site that you actually like or care about. That is the point.
The reason they go after 4Chan is because they want to normalise this general type of censorship and hope people are gullible or biased enough that they will or would let obvious authoritarian censorship slide because they know some people dislike the site. It is manipulation and how you push the Overton Window towards general censorship.
The point is that the UK should never do that and the law is bad. Whenever you see shit like this, switch the “thing” in question to something you like and be honest to yourself and think if you would be okay with that.
If they can do it easily to things you dislike, then they can as easily do it to things you like.
The fact that is Labour, or the equivalent of the USA Democrats trying to hinder public speech in other countries via this insane laws is something worth noting. Any side can do this.
“Let it be free, but control it to keep this part out.”
That’s literally what you’re experiencing. You get to witness the flaw in the part where you don’t get to pick the entity that decides which content doesn’t belong.
Keep it free from hate without controlling it? Who gets the ultimate say, then? The internet or the government? If your answer is “the government” how in the world does that work without controlling the internet? What government has successfully done this before?
Imagine, instead of “hate”, its "You cant talk about trans people without handing over your ID. Are you ok with that? Cos right now, youre OK with kicking 4chan out, even though that wouldnt get rid of whatever problem you dont like. But at some point, say, Trump. Could get a law going into effect similar or worse than the UK one, only instead of porn, its “Woke”. And he and his cronies get to decide what “woke” is and how to age verify you to be able to access services for gender care.
And the age shit isnt even the worst part. The UK government wants apple and facebook and everyone else with a messaging app, to create a window for the government to scan messages. They say for abuse. Luckily, it cant be done as it would break the current encryption methods used. But that doesnt mean they cant force it later on down the road. And got forbid your girlfriend or wife sends you a naughty text message with “Daddy” at the end. You knock on the door, and pedo label slapped on your citizenship score.
Whenever you want something new to be put into law. Always look to see the worst case that it can be abused, and then ask if you still want it. Scanning messages might protect a few kids, so its worth it right? But the cost is that for the rest of time, no one gets any privacy in their communications. And worse, the government can your private communications to profile you and then sell that data, above or below board. Does it still sound great?
Are EU privacy laws trying to govern the internet also deranged?
I don’t agree with the laws the UK have on this matter, but trying to govern the internet is absolutely nothing new, and most of the time the internet fucking loves it, and praises the EU for trying to do so.
I’m pulled back and forth with this one. On the one hand, 4chan is a shithole that should be taken care of. On the other side, UK laws that try to govern the internet are so overly deranged shit.
Look at bigger picture. Ignore that it is 4Chan and imagine it is a site that you actually like or care about. That is the point.
The reason they go after 4Chan is because they want to normalise this general type of censorship and hope people are gullible or biased enough that they will or would let obvious authoritarian censorship slide because they know some people dislike the site. It is manipulation and how you push the Overton Window towards general censorship.
The point is that the UK should never do that and the law is bad. Whenever you see shit like this, switch the “thing” in question to something you like and be honest to yourself and think if you would be okay with that.
If they can do it easily to things you dislike, then they can as easily do it to things you like.
The fact that is Labour, or the equivalent of the USA Democrats trying to hinder public speech in other countries via this insane laws is something worth noting. Any side can do this.
“Taken care of”, so how does this kind of perspective differ from the protection law?
Properly dealing with hate crimes is different from controlling the internet more or less in general.
Let the internet be free, but also keep it free from hate.
“Let it be free, but control it to keep this part out.”
That’s literally what you’re experiencing. You get to witness the flaw in the part where you don’t get to pick the entity that decides which content doesn’t belong.
Keep it free from hate without controlling it? Who gets the ultimate say, then? The internet or the government? If your answer is “the government” how in the world does that work without controlling the internet? What government has successfully done this before?
I said I am torn here. Basically both sides are shit. I know this does not help.
Imagine, instead of “hate”, its "You cant talk about trans people without handing over your ID. Are you ok with that? Cos right now, youre OK with kicking 4chan out, even though that wouldnt get rid of whatever problem you dont like. But at some point, say, Trump. Could get a law going into effect similar or worse than the UK one, only instead of porn, its “Woke”. And he and his cronies get to decide what “woke” is and how to age verify you to be able to access services for gender care.
And the age shit isnt even the worst part. The UK government wants apple and facebook and everyone else with a messaging app, to create a window for the government to scan messages. They say for abuse. Luckily, it cant be done as it would break the current encryption methods used. But that doesnt mean they cant force it later on down the road. And got forbid your girlfriend or wife sends you a naughty text message with “Daddy” at the end. You knock on the door, and pedo label slapped on your citizenship score.
Whenever you want something new to be put into law. Always look to see the worst case that it can be abused, and then ask if you still want it. Scanning messages might protect a few kids, so its worth it right? But the cost is that for the rest of time, no one gets any privacy in their communications. And worse, the government can your private communications to profile you and then sell that data, above or below board. Does it still sound great?
Are EU privacy laws trying to govern the internet also deranged?
I don’t agree with the laws the UK have on this matter, but trying to govern the internet is absolutely nothing new, and most of the time the internet fucking loves it, and praises the EU for trying to do so.