• Cryptagionismisogynist@lemmy.worldBanned
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    You can give birth even in your 50s safely. I know an OBGYN who specializes in senior pregnancies and had 2 herself that were totally fine. Most women are not sterile then, and even if that were true, 40-45 is a different window than 35 like you originally claimed. We have plenty of fertility treatments that can help with conception anyway.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way#%3A~%3Atext=9+External+links-%2CHistory%2C"MGTOW+Manifesto"+in+2001.

    advocating for men to separate themselves from women and society, which they believe has been corrupted by feminism

    MGTOW isnt being an introvert, or ascetic, or a priest or monk. All those things are already socially allowed for men and are much similar to 4B. Feminism is equal rights for the sexes. Women are protesting their enslavement by toxic masculinity with 4B. Men are protesting their lack of control of women with MGTOW, because its a protest of feminism. Do you really truly think this is equivalent? Lol. Do you really need to play the vulnerable narcissist card here?

    Have you ever seen Alien? That movie was about forced birth. Do you think a movement that expressly wants to force birth on women by fighting against their rights is the same morally as a movement that wants to stop forced birth on women?

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      You can give birth even in your 50s safely.

      I never denied that. However, pregnancies that had no modern medical involvement in its creation become very rare after the age of 40, and vanishingly rare after the age of 50.

      To wit,

      “The rate of decline accelerates around the age of 35 and the vast majority of women are essentially infertile by the time they reach 45,”

      35 like you originally claimed.

      I claimed that pregnancies after 35 are called “geriatric pregnancies”, and that is due to the risks that they bring. This is a medical term, used throughout the industry for pregnancies after the age of 35

      And fertility begins to drop noticeably after 32, and really begins to plummet after 35.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way#%3A~%3Atext=9+External+links-%2CHistory%2C"MGTOW+Manifesto"+in+2001.

      If you’re going to be referencing a hate screed by misandrists - and yes, almost every sentence of the Wikipedia article is either a gross exaggeration, a deliberate mischaracterization, or an outrightght lie - then you are operating wholly in bad faith.

      Feminism is equal rights for the sexes.

      It’s a female supremacist movement.

      Have you ever seen Alien? That movie was about forced birth. Do you think a movement that expressly wants to force birth on women by fighting against their rights is the same morally as a movement that wants to stop forced birth on women?

      And there is that outright mischaracterization, which is pretty much bordering on a lie, that I was expecting. Most MGTOW have no strong opinion against abortion, because a female exercising her right to abort can also release the man from a quarter century’s worth of unwilling financial enslavement. And many are fully in favour of abortion rights for both genders… which include paper abortions for men, which bring near-complete parity and equality of that right to both sexes.

      • Vivian (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        a female supremacist movement

        Thanks for confirming exactly the type of person you are, it’s really helpful for people that want to be certain that they won’t lose anything of worth by blocking you.