shout out to the lemmy developers for not making us be stuck on the other site

shout out to mastodon devs for making us have a better life than on Twitter

shout out to the pixelfed devs for allowing a actual photography platform to exist

shout out to the peertube devs for helping us not be stuck on youtube until the end of time

ETA: Shout out to the server operators who make the stuff be done

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      People are upset when the find out the Lemmy lead devs are like straight up authoritarian communists.

      Mostly Third-Way-Reddit-liberal refugees who don’t realize they’re not progressive just because Fox News calls thier party “radical socialist leftists” constantly, these are the same people screeching that America only votes for leftists for Senate some places because there wasn’t another choice and that what b the country really wanted was moderate Dems.

      Also the Piefed devs; didn’t they get caught hardcoding a block list into Piefed or something? I know there was a lemmy front end that did that (Tesseract; I made the list yay!) but not long after that Piefed got caught doing something similar but I don’t recall exactly what it was; all I remember was that I decided I no longer trust Piefed and I won’t use it. Shit I’ll try and search it and see if I can come up with a better answer

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        That particular part of the PieFed controversy was disproven, yet continually shared as misinformation nonetheless.

        All of that kind of stuff is opt-in by the instance admins, nowhere close to hard-coded. Unlike the Tesseract situation. Also, Lemmy v1.0 will embedd a veto ability such that communities not acknowledged by Lemmy.ml will not be suggested to new instances - though this is opt-out as it can be configured from within the code, so also not hard-coded (though as opt-out rather than opt-in, is much closer to it).

        There are plenty of reasons to not use PieFed, which is quite opinionated software (though Lemmy likewise is somewhat opinionated also, yet on the spectrum perhaps less so overall), but hard-coded blocklists is not one of them. Like Lemmy where people rail against the tankie devs, people just have a hate-on for the PieFed antifa dev, and like to smear the software with unwarranted accusations (weirdly instead of actually valid ones, which do exist, but perhaps those resonate less well somehow?).

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        Piefed dev for involved in a disagreement about something, made a post explaining how correct they were, and deleted responses from the b other parties involved.

        I don’t remember the details but it’s not constructive to a healthy community.

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          Piefed dev for involved in a disagreement about something, made a post explaining how correct they were, and deleted responses from the b other parties involved.

          I don’t remember the details but it’s not constructive to a healthy community.

          Rimu made a platform to be as hostile as possible those who don’t fit his image and bans anyone who questions it. But since he’s not the Lemmy devs people here fawn over him as he is worse than anything the lemmy devs have done.

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          Mbin was looking for more devs but they’re into generative AI so you may consider that.

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          Pylova is a mostly pointless reactionary fork that came out of some drama perpetuated by a bunch of crybullies.

          So it’s cringe, but not necessarily controversial. But also doesn’t really contribute anything of value.

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            Actually I think it predated a good amount of that. Iirc PyLova was started much earlier than most people realize, stemming out of a frustration from wanting to contribute to the project but then Mia’s contributions were reportedly taken by the main PieFed dev without seemingly proper acknowledgement. And then yes the PieFed drama caused additional attention to be paid to PyLova than previously (particularly in the earlier stages of the fork - surely that’s a huge learning curve).

            PyLova hasn’t done a whole awful lot yet in some respects, but especially some of the more recent inclusions may be absolute game-changers moving forward, especially the ability to support user shareable blocklists. That should go a long way towards retaining people coming here from Reddit who would otherwise flee this toxic shithole (well, some major parts of the Threadiverse are that way at least - certain highly notable politics communities in particular spring to mind, though after blocking this place can become much more chill! even if noticeably quieter…:-P). And PyLova un-does a lot of the minor annoyances that the main PieFed dev did not feel fit into his vision - e.g. a user can choose to display both upvotes and downvotes side by side, just like in Lemmy.

            Meanwhile, PieFed is off chasing better compatibility with Mastodon. Some people want that, so it is a laudable goal, but then PyLova is focusing on improving the existing experience here within the Threadiverse, which also seems laudable to me?

            However it got started, it is contributing to improving things, as software forks often do - that ability is part of what makes FLOSS so great!!

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            How many Rimuminbi do you get paid to write this?

            PyLova has many features PieFed doesn’t, to the point PieFed is having to copy them poorly such as allowing more than one image in a post.

            You’re only saying that because you’re a butthurt .social mod who got banned from every leftist instance. Now that’s cringe.

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              See what I mean? Look how fast they show up to push these wacky narratives and call people paid shills.

              Lmao, another case-in-point: a quokk.au admin below is unironically calling the PieFed dev an “authoritarian liberal”. These are deeply unserious people.

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                Before I knew they were the piefed admin I had Rimu tagged as “psychotic hatred of leftists, extreme neoliberal” so yeah that seems like a fair label.

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                A piefed.nullspace.lol admin and PieFed support worker has come along to call people “crybullies” and “deeply unserious”. Your DARVO isn’t going to work.

                Also no, I don’t literally think you get paid in a currency I made up on the spot, but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.

                And you’re right things such as trying to enforce vote limits on users without consulting people, trying to hide meme communities (196) via hard code is surely a libertarian move and not the one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.

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                  but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.

                  That’s rich considering how often people who defend PyLova point out how there is hard coded blocks in PieFed… yet can never really seem to point out exactly what is hard coded (in a very ”I’m only asking questions” way). Spoiler alert: Those blocks doesn’t exist. There are some filters, and I don’t agree with all of them, so I simply turn them off. There’s also the default instance and domain blocklist, which is also very easy to remove.

                  trying to hide meme communities (196) via hard code is surely a libertarian move and not the one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.

                  See? This is a straight up lie, i.e. misinformation. That makes it very clear that you’re arguing in bad faith. Or you have no idea what ”hard code” is and just using it to add an emotional emphasis to your point.

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                  A piefed.nullspace.lol admin and PieFed support worker has come along to call people “crybullies” and “deeply unserious”. Your DARVO isn’t going to work.

                  I don’t think you know what DARVO means…

                  Also no, I don’t literally think you get paid in a currency I made up on the spot, but I do think you play defence for your side and are biased as fuck to the point you spread literal misinformation about a feature rich fork.

                  “Feature-rich” LMAO

                  one sided actions of a wannabe dictator.

                  Again, for those reading, this group of people says all of this without a drop of irony. They really are like this.

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            As someone who uses both, they both have their place. I still use Lemmy from time to time too.

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          Piefed is fine too. The drama there is a nothing-burger. The tankies are just pissed off that Piefed has better moderation so they can’t troll Piefed servers the way they would like to

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            Your choice of admin team is much more important than which software platform you use, especially if you use a third-party app like Voyager.

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              Third party apps can take advantage of the software platform however. I’ve been testing the PyLova app and it’s got lots of stuff you can’t do in the Lemmy based apps.

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        Piefed is fine. Otherwise, PyLova is a fork by a different dev team.

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        Fortunately, piefed’s controversial feature was a checkbox in the settings that an admin can easily toggle on/off, unlike Tesseract that had a hidden hardcoded list. And as you are probably aware, our .zip admin gives us users the autonomy to block stuff ourselves, so that wasn’t really that big of an issue.

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          PieFed only adds those checkboxes (multiple times now) after huge complaints from users.

          The dev is an authoritarian liberal who thinks the best way to run the Fediverse is their way and everyone must accept that.

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          https://join.piefed.social/2026/08/13/what-piefed-blocks-out-of-the-box-and-how-to-unblock-it/

          During the initial setup process there is a series of messages printed on the screen: “Added banned instance xyz, added banned instance abc, etc” followed by “Manage banned instances at /admin/federation.” The list of initially defederated (banned) instances is:

          ‘anonib.al’, ‘lemmygrad.ml’, ‘gab.com’, ‘rqd2.net’, ‘exploding-heads.com’,
          ‘hexbear.net’, ‘hilariouschaos.com’,
          ‘threads.com’, ‘noauthority.social’, ‘pieville.net’, ‘links.hackliberty.org’,
          ‘poa.st’, ‘freespeechextremist.com’, ‘bae.st’, ‘nicecrew.digital’,
          ‘detroitriotcity.com’, ‘gregtech.eu’,
          ‘pawoo.net’, ‘shitposter.club’, ‘spinster.xyz’, ‘catgirl.life’, ‘gameliberty.club’,
          ‘yggdrasil.social’, ‘beefyboys.win’, ‘brighteon.social’, ‘cum.salon’, ‘wizard.casa’,
          ‘maga.place’, ‘lemmychan.org’
          

          View related source code. As the message suggests, admins can go to the Federation part of the Admin area to change which instances you federate with at any time.

          I mean technically not hard coded, but when it’s the default it becomes the standard. Of course the biggest issue is it’s only viable to admins not the users so

          🙃

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            Just as with literally all federated social media, users are encouraged to find an instance that matches their values and preferred admin involvement, or to spin up their own instances.

            Of course users will not have complete control of content moderation on their instance, that is literally impossible on so many levels. If you want complete control, create your own instance. Even then, it’s not complete control because you can not force other instances to federate with you.

            If there is anybody capable of configuring a non-default blocklist, it is the type of people that choose to host their own fediverse instance.

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        Lemmy devs aren’t communists, they’re state capitalists. The difference is they support the state, and Karl Marx said it’s not communism if there’s a state.

        Piefed didn’t hardcode a blocklist, that was a hoax. There’s an auto-federation tool that only admins can use, and it has optional limits on what communities it auto-imports. People took screenshots of that code and lied that it was a blocklist.

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          Marx specifically referenced a state in lower-stage communism, which got clarified by later theorists as the socialist stage as transitional between capitalism and communism.

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          Lemmy devs are Marxist Leninist (State Socialist). And Marx did write a out a transition phase. Only idealists think you can “press the communism” button without removing the class contradictions that gave rise to a state in the first place.

          Piefed has a social credit system

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            They pressed the communism button in Catalonia and it worked great. Only problem is it was the middle of the Spanish Civil War, and they got betrayed by their allies.

            Anarchist communism has 65,000 years of proven success. Vanguard socialism hasn’t worked once. Russia failed, it’s capitalist. China is failing, it’s capitalist. North Korea is failing, it’s feudalist. Those failures aren’t because they got couped by the CIA or conquered in a war, these are internal flaws to the political system of state “socialism”. The idea that you can slowly reform an authoritarian state into communism was always a fantasy, it never happened once.

            Anyway, Piefed has karma. Like Reddit. It’s just karma. If you wanna call karma a social credit system, go ahead, but it does seem disingenuous to not explain what you mean by it.

            As a piefed admin, I see a little red warning sign next to Sxan, the thorn person. Because they have low karma. When I see it, I chortle and then read what innocuous comment with a thorn has got people downvoting this time. It’s just a warning that they have low karma, it doesn’t do anything.

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          I’m pretty sure that was Carl Marks.

          Karl Marx understood the difference between communism and communists.

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      Well, the lemmy devs are transphobic and the piefed dev Rimu is a bit of a jerk with additional accusations of a censorship list after a huge blowup surrounding a front-end called tesseract. There’s other posts about it there during that same time frame.

      It’s a big reason I switched to quokka.au as it uses a fork of piefed called PyLova which I find to be stable and good and the developer is way nicer.

      Edit: to be more clear, Tesseract was developed by someone else and that person snuck a secret censorship list into their project. While Rimu’s filter was only slightly less problematic, it had a checkbox at least, it was very unclear what it actually did and caused a huge (well deserved) fuss.

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        I’ve seen the accusation about transphobia before, but never seen a link. In the link you provide there is a lot of talk about transphobia. Some ragebating and people saying one of the devs is a transphobe. But I don’t see a dev saying something transphobic in the first 50 posts I read. I am a communist. I left .world for .ml because of them blocking hexbear. I do however also find transphobia highly problematic

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          You can literally see the screenshot where they say being transgender is actually a bourgeoisie conspiracy. Like full on denying trans people’s lived experiences for thousands of years, and in the same breath pretending people like Elon and JK Rowling aren’t pushing transphobia.

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            Yeah I’ve seen the screenshot, it’s a lazy take and reeks of lack of knowledge but it doesn’t seem transphobic.

            If we are trying to get to a better and more enlightened future, there are a lot of people we do not agree with we have to meet with dialogue instead of judgement.

            I am not talking about forgiving og listening to people like Rowling. I am talking about showing would be comrades a more nuanced way of seeing the world instead of writing them off.

            That road always leads to a smaller and smaller select group that see the true way forward, but having a harder and harder time talking to anyone else. Eventually the group gets so small and isolated it doesn’t means anything at all.

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              Let’s not dismiss this bigotry as being simply uninformed. Someone that is making such a grand statement about us and using TERF language would likely disagree with you about how informed they are.

              But I do agree with you about the statement being a shitty analysis.

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                In the thread under the screenshot, there is another screenshot from where Nutomic explain, that the topic was clearly more complicated than they had understood earlier and they did not want to discuss it further.

                Unless people give me reason to do otherwise I will keep seeing people as trying to do the best they can with what they got. Otherwise it would not be worth discussing at all. That is to say I choose to believe he has learned a thing or two. Especially because the there are several safe communities on lemmy.ml

                But in the end I think what irks me about the entire discussion is the fact that someone tried to make a positive post about community the people enabling it and the first thing that happens are people throwing shit at the people making us even being able to have this discussion.

                I do however choose to believe that people get offended and get knee jerk reactions because we are so used to the ton shit the internet hurls at us as soon as we open a browser. And thus that there actually is something to discuss in good fate.

                That is why I read the thread about Nutomic stupid microblog (admittedly not in detail, most of it was just people with opinions) and that is why I chose to comment. Some people have stupid takes for various good reasons e.g. bad education. That is not the real problem, the problems start if they are unwilling to try to nuance that view or accept it is possible to see things differently. We all can get stubborn or be too indoctrinated to see through stuff, but the real problems start if people double down on criticism, or if they start acting on shitty takes or worldviews. That is not what I am seeing here.

                I’ve written this to get my head straight about the situation, but I hope whoever read this far down the thread can use this for something.

                And finally. Thank you dear developers, hosts, admins, mods, programmers and posters for making the Fediverse a real alternative to Reddit and in time hopefully to all our incorporated social media. If a contributor asks for support please support them if you can.

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                  It would be one thing if he actually tried to understand why what he said was “controversial” and made a real attempt to apologize instead of throwing up his hands and insisting he didn’t want to talk about it anymore.

                  This reminds me of the bigoted people that espouse their shitty opinions and then refuse to discuss it further when they realize what they are saying maybe sucks a lot.

                  Telling me that ML has trans communities is akin to the racist that says “But I have a friend that’s black!”

                  In my opininion the developer got upset that his shitty opinions were going to cost them donations and tried to half-ass walk it back.

                  I fear you and I will never see eye to eye on this, and that’s ok. I won’t judge you for your opinion and I thank you for being level headed during this discussion. But sadly I remain unconvinced that the developer actually learned anything from this experience other than being more careful next time to not say things that suck.

                  🩷

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                    And now we have come to an impassé. There is no easy way to find out if you are right about Nutomic has changed his mind and only have backed down for convience. I can say once again, that I haven’t seen anything else pointing in that direction, but that won’t persuade you.

                    I do understand fear of prosecution. I will never ever tell anyone not to listen to that fear. Sadly that has turned out to be dangerous at times. Safety and feeling secure always comes first. Transphobia as well as many other kinds of hatred exist and sometimes thrive among the very people who should have felt like home. I cannot remove that fear from you, I can only tell you that I haven’t seen bigotry on lemmy.ml unless you count that one microblog, and I obviously don’t.

                    It also makes me sad that you, you fear me, but I get a feeling that I cannot change that neither. I am a little allergic to bullshit, but I don’t see that from you and that is why I am trying to formulate something instead of just leaving it at that. I don’t think you are fair in comparing me to racists and I am sorry that you don’t feel safe on lemmy.ml

                    Since this is the internet and no one has no clue on what is going on on the other side of the screen I will just ask you to consider that people are people, weak, prone to mistakes and opinionated. Sometimes it actually helps to talk instead of judging. I know it fucking sucks and it can be so draining. And a lot of times it is a waste of effort. But I do believe that we as humans are strongest because of our differences if we are able to understand each other despite them. I take it that most people on lemmy.ml are socialists and computer geeks. I mean its mainly an instance about computers and IT politics. I also believe that socialists strive to be open-minded, failing as we sometimes are, because our very ideology is built upon the idea that every human being is a thing to be treasured and that we are all equal. Once again I am not asking you to do anything, but maybe consider your views once in a while and I promise you I will try to do the same.

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        Nah, I know a bunch of the people on that ban list and they all spread the hoax claiming that Piefed has a hardcoded block list.

        See, the censorship list you’re talking about doesn’t exist. It just blocked auto-import by admins of communities with certain words in the name. So it only affected admins, not users. If you’re not an admin, it didn’t affect you. I’m an admin, I unchecked the box because I knew what I was doing.

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          Well if I’m wrong about how that list worked then I apologize but Rimu also supposedly took code from the fork and failed to attribute it until he was called out about that too. It wasn’t only the blocking thing that upset me, it was also the code misappropriation and the childish ban spree.

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            (I’m a different person than who you were responding to earlier)

            Those other things that you mention here are validated, however the “hard-coded blocklist” was demonstrably disproven. I suggest removing it from your comment because it only complicates the matter to mix in lies with the truth. There are a bunch of valid reasons to criticize PieFed over, we don’t need to spread misinformation muddying the issues.

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              I’m not convinced that what I said about that checkbox was misinformation. I remember the checkbox situation, I remember thinking it was weird, and I read enough posts from various instances at the time from multiple people that lead me to believe that it wasn’t all that great and there was ambiguity about Rimu’s motives for including it. Furthermore, his response about it wasn’t convincing. So I’m not going to acquise and change my original post. Even in this thread there’s no actual agreement on the subject. I understand you are trying to help, but what I said wasn’t specifically a lie. Thanks for your comment.

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            If you talk about the matrix screenshot, there is this line from Rimu : “imagine that i do a post about lemmy blabla…”. This line refers to a post from Mia where she did an announcement and Rimu wasn’t happy about it. He considered it was Piefed appropriation.

            It was also part of the conflict along false accusation of piefed being anti-trans. We did ask blahaj what feature would they like, added trans flag…

            The main problem with Rimu is its behaviour that led to its ban spree. Most of people on Matrix won’t say anything about it, they know but they remain quiet and stay here because they use piefed and support it.

            It wasn’t the first time. At the beggining of Piefed (2 year ago) Rimu banned Rikudo’s instance. Because Rikudo instance at that time suffered from spam. Rikudo wasn’t happy about the defed and wrote something on Piefed on fediseer.

            So I reached Rikudo and did the mediation and they worked together. I tried with Ada/Pugjesus. Mia/Rimu…

            When there was the shitstorm about the local IA used for moderation by dbz0, i really hoped that the explanation from dbzer0 would calm things down. I hoped that Rimu would recognize that he was wrong about its analysis. And then maybe they would continue together.

            For me, we lost plenty contributors and people.

            You have also to take into account mysticmushroom ban spree for zionism and how dbzer0 reacted.

            And then there are people that perpetue fedidrama on yptb or even here, on a post where we should support the fediverse. That was my message that everyone missed on yptb.

            If we want to continue, we have to move on. It doesn’t erase the past, but recalling those events, behaviour impact the relationship we have between each other.

            It polarizes our relationship, and may make newcomers leave. So i think we have to move on and support what we love.

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            You aren’t wrong, it’s gone through many itterations from the initial block. Even now it’s still the initial config hidden to users. Hell Grail is even saying it’s still there but only idiots would keep it on. (ironic considering it’s Rimu’s default and piefed.socials setup)

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        So a few corrections:

        1. Tankies aren’t a bad thing, and it’s a nazi dogwhistle as pointed out by your link.

        2. Being a ‘Tankie,’ isn’t a bad thing, it’s being anti-nazi. The Term was invented by nazis, to criticize the soviet union crushing a nazi uprising with tanks, barely a decade after they won WWII.

        3. The tanks in Tiannamen square were the good guys. Objectively so. Maybe don’t root for the CIA?

        Please be smarter than you are. The people that own every aspect of your life are obviously going to lie to you to keep you under their ownership. It takes very little to debunk their lies.

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            Be more specific, and please link explicit examples with sources, instead of using thought terminating phrases that your owner taught you when something clashes with their programming.

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              just duckduckgo it

              1: the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis

              2: you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people

              3: and no, Democracy is a real thing, and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example

              4: there is no thought in communism, communism is the most vague thing on earth, it cannot pair with democracy since it’s so vague

              your odor lingers on

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                the word “tankie” was made by reformist communistsm not nazis

                Answered in the First link, calling the CGRB ‘reformist communists’ is the same as calling nazis ‘reformist socialists’ because they have socialist in the name.

                you have a million pieces of evidence about the tanks killing normal people

                No, you don’t. In fact, you don’t have a single one, because that was never the claim for Tiannamen square. The tanks sheltered the soldiers from gunfire during the rebellion. This is answered in the second link.

                and no, Democracy is a real thing,

                Correct, and all forms of socialism have democracy built in, as socialism is democracy applied to the economy.

                and capitalism can be regulated with rules (Genius for your chicken strips brain, but not for me), most of the EU is an example

                The same EU that uses slave labor for most of its wealth? [1]

                Regulated capitalism still requires exploitation in order to function, because it is still capitalism, which is exploitative by nature.

                there is no thought in communism

                There’s more thought in communism than there is in capitalism, as communism is based on the scientific method, and capitalism is built on the idea some people are born better than others. [2]

                your odor lingers on

                I hope you realize your place and the fact you will never be a capitalist. Education is free and easy these days.

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                  1: of course your using 3 links referening to communist newspapers and others (what did i expect), Having No Evidence

                  2: go to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Citations, then look and read them all (the ones written in english)

                  3: no all communist and socialist countries, are not actual democracies in being free

                  4: there is no evidence with the EU encouraging any form of slave labor, that wasn’t in the 1700s, and also many of those companies that exploit are likely gonna become illegal by some day

                  5: then why are all those soviet union countries and china and communist nations, exploit people, kill them, and many more, if there was thought in it, none of that would happen

                  6: your fart lingers on

                  7: communism hides the issues with its economy, capitalism doesn’t

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                    1. They are all sourced.
                    2. My links explicitly answer those sources and address them.
                    3. All socialist countries that currently exist use democracy.
                    4. That is hilariously naive little fascist.
                    5. Why do you think that they do?
                    6. Good argument little fascist.
                    7. Why do you think this when all information about the government is public information in communist countries?
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          The sources for the blog post in point number 3 are pretty spotty. They quote Western media like the Washington Post or a former Australian official without giving the proper links or citations. The citations to some “Western” sources like Amnesty International are there but these sources are only brought in so the authors can get nitpicky about their word choices. The only solid source I could find was the WikiLeaks source from the US embassy, but that doesn’t contradict the massacre narrative because the wire could have been sent before the violence peaked. The more substantive claims rely on YouTube videos or other blog posts for their sources.

          I’m not trying to be hostile by saying this; I’m willing to hear you out. But I will need a far higher standard of rigour before I’m willing to take any of these ideas seriously.

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            That’s sad that you have so much potential[1][2][3], but then blindly and stupidly believe everything the American government tells you to believe when it comes to non-white and non-western people. The links will still be available for you when you decide to grow past your limitations and your owner’s education.

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          Tankie was made by leftists to describe authcoms support for the Soviets after they used tanks on a student protest in Hungary.

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          False:

          1. “Tankie” was coined by orthodox communists to describe and criticize party members who supported the Soviet Union’s use of military tanks to brutally crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956. And, since you really love sources,

          The term “tankie” was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defence of the Soviet use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring, or who more broadly adhered to pro-Soviet positions.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie 2. The Tiannamen Square protests are led by a vast majority of students. Reading the article you cited, it states: “…and are clear that the “protesters” (rioters) initiated the deadly violence in Beijing (none of which occurred in Tiananmen Square itself).” You can see that this mofo denies the massacre happening because it literally didn’t happen in the Square (true, but a non-sequitur). Secondly, that the protestors initiated the violence. The protests were peaceful, until the Chinese government declared martial law and ordered thousands of People’s Liberation Army (PLA) troops into Beijing. 3. Sure. The article is fucking misleading. Let’s assume it is right, and even then, your (3) is yet again a non-sequitur: because the protestors initiated the violence does not make the massacre justified.

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            The right wing of the CPGB that supported the counterrevolution in Hungary were not “Orthodox communists.” You seem to think Marxism is a purity-based moralist doctrine, but in fact the right-wing supported a fascist movement and a destruction of worker power. The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times. Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.

            "The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, “coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.”

            “But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing.”

            “Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)

            “The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”

            "A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:

            During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”

            Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."

            Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:

            Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.

            TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.

            Regarding the Tian’anmen protests, a color revolution grew from what originated as protests against the marketization shifts under Deng Xiaoping that had turned into western-backed protests against CPC control, resulting in a few hundred deaths from clashes between rioters and the PLA around Beijing after the PLA had been sent in to disburse the protests. Once the PLA reached Tian’anmen Square, the center of the protests, the square was dispersed bloodlessly. The CIA-backed student leaders were evacuated in Operation Yellowbird. For more, I recommend this Tian’anmen Protests reading list.

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            Hi, my two sources directly answer your CIA propaganda and debunk it.

            Thanks for proving your illiteracy.

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              thank you for proving that you supported a actual massacre and supporting ethnic cleansing by the russian government

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              Hi, yes. One of your sources, Hampton Think, is a leftist “proletariat” (self-described; on Hampton Think’s about page). They are an open platform with no fact checking, so:

              1. Not only are you citing a leftist source, which, saying this by itself, is an ad hominem
              2. And they have no fact-checking or peer review
              3. You are using it to justify anti-capitalist and pro-socialist ideologies. This is circular logic; using anti-capitalist cherry-picked proof to reinforce your anti-capitalist ideology. Addendum: What do you think about “In defense of Communism”, your second source? Yeah. Give me some real sources next time.
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                Cool, the paper I linked specifically has sources for all of its claims.

                For your 3rd point, look to the world right now. Congrats, its worse than the any socialist country ever was.

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                Addendum:

                My bad for using the r-word for offended folks; it was in the heat of the moment

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        oh no

        but i hope that someone who isnt rooting for world war 3, is probably gonna fork it