I mean, wasn’t this discussion started by whether bits per second or bytes per second is deceptive or misleading in order to make people think “woah, bigger number means better internet” ?
Also, how is a division or multiplication by a factor of 8 the difference between what most people do or don’t understand? It’s a primary school mathematical operation. If people cannot understand that, how are they going to understand that different downloads or uploads inside different applications provide them with different (byte-based) values depending on protocol and server performance of whatever service they are using?
It really is the truest and simplest unit to use that the ISP can reasonably guarantee to you, because on the lowest level, whether using fibre or copper, we send bits and not bytes across the wire.
No one who was not specifically taught this will notice the difference between Mbps and MBps since it’s the same fucking letters. Let alone know the difference is division by 8. Not everyone has formal IT education and bits never come out in daily life of most people except for internet speeds. You are expert in this field. You massively overestimate how much average people know if you think they recognize the difference and know how to convert it.
If people cannot understand that, how are they going to understand that different downloads or uploads inside different applications provide them with different (byte-based) values depending on protocol and server performance of whatever service they are using?
Why do you keep insisting they need to? An average person will not care much about the difference between a download taking 6 minutes or 7 minutes. They will care about the difference between 6 minutes and an hour, which is about the difference if they misinterpret bits as bytes.
Stupid and not an expert in a specific field are two very different things. Also, it is not lying. It is the exact same facts (same number) presented differently.
Mm and mm are very different. Mg and mg are very different. Mbps and MB/s are very different. People lacking basic education to be able to read units properly have to deal with that themselves.
They are not the exact same. Somebody else already talked a whole thread about the reason as to why.
What I would argue for is every company at least all advertising the same unit, so that when comparing it becomes easier to do so.
A whole thread and still no explanation how taking an accurate number and multiplying it by a constant to get a different representation can magically make it less accurate.
It’s like saying a distance has to be in miles because converting it to km makes it less accurate.
Nah man at this point you are purposefully ignoring the bits that are being sent to your device which are then converted to bytes so that your pixels can communicate the letters that are forming words to you, from which the sentences are apparently too difficult for you to understand.
The sentences are just nonsense. “Stupid” consumers are consumers too. If you are intentionally making the marketing harder to understand for people that don’t pass your arbitrary level of “smart enough to understand and convert”, that is literally anti-consumer. Instead of a number that everyone can underatand on first sight, you keep arguing understanding the marketing should require additional education with no other practical application in most peoples lives. No, if a peraon is a farmer, they should not be required to take a year of computer acience just so they can select an internet package.
Yet somehow these “smart” people must not be asked to convert back from byets to bits. That is too difficult. Only converting from bits to byets is the correct way. I guess being smart only lets you divide by 8, not multiply by 8. Complete nonsense.
It’s been explained to you multiple times by multiple people but you’re just not grasping it. You fundamentally misunderstand at every single level. There are experts, there are non-expert laymen, and then there’s you, way down at the bottom where the sun can’t reach you.
Ultimately, what you want to happen will never happen, no matter how much you whine and complain, and for very good reason. So there’s really no point wasting your time and energy defending your indefensible position. The adults have made a decision.
I mean, wasn’t this discussion started by whether bits per second or bytes per second is deceptive or misleading in order to make people think “woah, bigger number means better internet” ?
Also, how is a division or multiplication by a factor of 8 the difference between what most people do or don’t understand? It’s a primary school mathematical operation. If people cannot understand that, how are they going to understand that different downloads or uploads inside different applications provide them with different (byte-based) values depending on protocol and server performance of whatever service they are using?
It really is the truest and simplest unit to use that the ISP can reasonably guarantee to you, because on the lowest level, whether using fibre or copper, we send bits and not bytes across the wire.
No one who was not specifically taught this will notice the difference between Mbps and MBps since it’s the same fucking letters. Let alone know the difference is division by 8. Not everyone has formal IT education and bits never come out in daily life of most people except for internet speeds. You are expert in this field. You massively overestimate how much average people know if you think they recognize the difference and know how to convert it.
Why do you keep insisting they need to? An average person will not care much about the difference between a download taking 6 minutes or 7 minutes. They will care about the difference between 6 minutes and an hour, which is about the difference if they misinterpret bits as bytes.
We should NOT accommodate for the stupid if that means lying about the facts. My two cents.
Stupid and not an expert in a specific field are two very different things. Also, it is not lying. It is the exact same facts (same number) presented differently.
Mm and mm are very different. Mg and mg are very different. Mbps and MB/s are very different. People lacking basic education to be able to read units properly have to deal with that themselves.
They are not the exact same. Somebody else already talked a whole thread about the reason as to why.
What I would argue for is every company at least all advertising the same unit, so that when comparing it becomes easier to do so.
A whole thread and still no explanation how taking an accurate number and multiplying it by a constant to get a different representation can magically make it less accurate.
It’s like saying a distance has to be in miles because converting it to km makes it less accurate.
Nah man at this point you are purposefully ignoring the bits that are being sent to your device which are then converted to bytes so that your pixels can communicate the letters that are forming words to you, from which the sentences are apparently too difficult for you to understand.
The sentences are just nonsense. “Stupid” consumers are consumers too. If you are intentionally making the marketing harder to understand for people that don’t pass your arbitrary level of “smart enough to understand and convert”, that is literally anti-consumer. Instead of a number that everyone can underatand on first sight, you keep arguing understanding the marketing should require additional education with no other practical application in most peoples lives. No, if a peraon is a farmer, they should not be required to take a year of computer acience just so they can select an internet package.
Yet somehow these “smart” people must not be asked to convert back from byets to bits. That is too difficult. Only converting from bits to byets is the correct way. I guess being smart only lets you divide by 8, not multiply by 8. Complete nonsense.
It’s been explained to you multiple times by multiple people but you’re just not grasping it. You fundamentally misunderstand at every single level. There are experts, there are non-expert laymen, and then there’s you, way down at the bottom where the sun can’t reach you.
Ultimately, what you want to happen will never happen, no matter how much you whine and complain, and for very good reason. So there’s really no point wasting your time and energy defending your indefensible position. The adults have made a decision.