• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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        i asked because i was wondering they op was stoking the fires of the revolutionary divide between communists and anarchists.

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          I feel like the op meme would hit harder with this on the well guy cause they’re fine to push the ‘lesser evil’ when it means getting their preferred evil in. when it comes to opposing communism then it’s suddenly purity testing is fine

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            22 hours ago

            i think that would have been expected given the propaganda behind the gulags

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    It lasted less than a generation, because it was a terrible design. They tried to get rid of capitol, but instead married the power of the state with the power of capitol

    A benevolent hypercompetent dictator is obviously the greatest system of government. The rub is in the details

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      The USSR lasted several generations, generations are measured by the few decades and not by centuries. It lasted as long as it did because it worked remarkably well.

      One thing that is important is that they didn’t “marry the power of the state to capital.” They had a publicly owned and driven economy, central planning is completely different from private ownership and production for profits.

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      Well, it was the first iteration.

      It did quite well, considering how it rapidly indistrialised their union of states, gave national-level voting rights to women before USAmerica did, fought external and internal sabotage, was waay better than the USAmerica which had racial discrimination on voting till the 1960’s etc.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act_of_1965

      They also were the major force to fight against Nazis.

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      On Orwell

      Isaac Asimov on 1984

      A Critical Read of Animal Farm

      Towards a Critique of Totalitarianism

      Orwell hated the working class, his chief critique was that the working class is too stupid to think for itself and that it is destined to be swayed by whoever is most charismatic. The same monster snitched on gays, jewish people, and communists to the British government, and during WWII claimed that criticizing the USSR was the real litmus test of a leftist. That’s not even getting into his history of sexual assault.

      As for the USSR in reality, read Blackshirts and Reds and This Soviet World. If the CPSU was a “ruling class,” it absolutely failed at being so. The discrepancy between the wealthiest and poorest in the Soviet Union was around ten times, but that number is in the thousands to billions in the Tsarist and capitalist eras respectively, and not just in Russia, but all capitalist systems.

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        Imagine criticizing Orwell for not thinking for himself

        by posting links to a bunch of people criticizing Orwell lmfao

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          …what? I criticized Orwell for his hatred of the working class, anti-semitism, homophobia, work with MI6, anti-communism, being a sex-pest, and criticizing the country that was responsible for 85% of Nazi soldiers killed during World War II in the midst of fighting said genocidal invader. The issue wasn’t “thinking for himself,” it’s him being a social fascist antisemitic fed. Critique of him is by no means hypocritical.

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            Do you have some theory reading which supports that, comrade? If not then you should read more theory, comrade. Make sure to post like 15 paragraph replies when you’re done compiling your theories.

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              I already posted the sources for Orwell being a piece of shit at the beginning of this conversation, though that certainly isn’t “theory.” It’s just documenting how much of a piece of shit Orwell was as a human being.

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                Comrade earlier you said that the CPSU was a failure, why are you so critical of glorious leaders, comrade? Would it be so bad if they were in charge of everything, comrade? You need to read more theory, comrade.

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                  This is just incoherent slop, are you doing it for your personal amusement? Is defending an antisemitic homophobic fed worth it to you?

                  Plus, I never said the CPSU was a failure.

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      You wanna elaborate on that, or are we supposed to feel convinced when you simply… restate the thing the meme is making fun of, but in an even more cliche sentence?

      Do you think there’s people out there joining the PSL or some other communist party who are gonna hear this 7th grade tier criticism and change their minds, or do you say it just for your own comfort?