I mean… No one on any Lemmy instance thinks the US has any leg to stand on.
Even righties I know think the country has kinda gone to hell. Not that any are here.
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Accusing everyone who don’t post US/Western approved content as a “Shill” ✅
There’s already enough liberal Pro-US/Pro-EU/Pro-Western political “content” on lemmy, y would I want to add to that pile? I see a gap and im filling that gap 😆
Just block the account and move on.
Both are shit. Easy answer.
China is way better.
Easy, but wrong. The US Empire is orders of magnitude worse than the PRC, which itself is a progressive and continuously improving force for good. The PRC is imperfect, but the fact that it is consistently improving both domestically and internationally makes qualitatively different from the US Empire.
Yes, like everywhere. Remember Tienanmen square protests?
Yes, we do remember. What we don’t do is misremember. Previously.
We also remember the Kent State University protest.
A well debunked western propaganda? I remember the debunking ya!
So what’s your deal? Does russia and china pay you to spew this shit or is just that you like to suck up to dictators?
Most socialists/communists support the PRC, it isn’t particularly unusual.
I don’t. China is VERY capitalist, it’s just that the people profiteering are almost only state officials.
This is wrong on both counts.
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The large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Capitalism isn’t just “markets,” it’s when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. In the PRC, public ownership is principle.
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The working class has recieved dramatic increases in real wages year over year consistently for decades. Development and planning of the economy puts the working class first, which is why their conditions habw improved dramatically. The CPC is not a bourgeois party.
For further reading:
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Qiao Collective’s Introductory Socialism with Chinese Characteristics Study Guide
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Socialism with Chinese Characteristics ProleWiki page
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Socialist Market Economy ProleWiki Page
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People’s Republic of China ProleWiki Page
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My “Read Theory, Darn It!” Introductory Marxist-Leninist Reading Guide
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Has China Turned to Capitalism? Reflections on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism by Domenico Losurdo
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China Has Billionaires by Roderic Day
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Source: the PRC probably
The overwhelming majority of practicing Marxist-Leninist orgs support the PRC, and Marxism-Leninism is in turn by far the most significant branch of Marxism. Marxism is more broadly adopted than anarchism globally, the other major school of thought in the socialist movement.
The PRC does support the PRC, yes.
Umm, no, they don’t. The PRC is about as far from communism as the US.
Yes we do. The PRC is in the developing stage of socialism. The large firms and key industries are publicly owned, the medium firms are heavily controlled and planned, and as they grow they are further integrated into the planned nature of the economy. This is the general path to sublimating property and gradually collectivizing it. The US Empire, on the other hand, has private ownership of the large firms and key industries, and runs on imperialism, ie vast expropriation of wealth from the global south via financial and millitary domination.
I suggest reading Marxist-Leninist theory, if you want somewhere to start, I wrote an introductory reading list targetting those interested in theory but who don’t know where to start.
We’re not talking about socialism. We’re talking about authoritarianism. Yes China is socialist-ish and also yes China is authoritarian
They said the PRC is as far from communism as the US is. Considering the PRC is a rising socialist country and the US is a dying capitalist empire, it follows that China is much further along in development.
Either way, the PRC is a state where the proletariat is in power. The authority of the state is used to suppress the bourgeoisie and resolve class conflicts in favor of the proletariat. The success of this is seen in high perceptions of democracy in China. The US, on the other hand, wields its authority in favor of the bourgeoisie, showing lower perceptions of democracy among the people.
The only way beyond the concept of “authoritarianism” is the abolition of the state, and that can only be accomplished by eliminating class, and that can only be accomplished via full collectivization of the economy on a global scale. We’re a long way off from there, so it’s best to have the proletariat in control until then.
You do realize there are communists other than you, right? Or is that the royal we?
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During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
-Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the overthrow of Communism by Micheal Parenti
If the police in China were never seen to kill anybody, that meant that surely they must be killing in secret. Why they would bother with secrecy or killing at all was never explained
excellent work
eating up that propaganda like you’re in a famine
NATOpedia is not a source. Also, do you think we haven’t already thoroughly read that page, like this is our first rodeo?
Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation
The PRC is not murdering Uyghurs. It’s genuinely a complex situation, but you can absolutely rely on the west to uncritically report their paid propagandist and christian nationalist Adrian Zenz of the “Victims of Communism” state department propaganda outlet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime …
- Amendment XIII, Section 1.
Fuck the US, but saying “lol x is better” is whats silly. Both can be shit at the same time and both can need revolution
It’s not silly if it’s true. Both certainly could be shit at the same time, but currently only one is.
Only the US needs a revolution. The vast majority in the PRC support their system and believe it is working in their interests. That makes sense, considering the PRC is socialist, and not under a dictatorship of capital. A revolution in the PRC would only result in the restoration of capitalism, and likely plundering from the US, setting back the global progression to socialism by a century by letting the US Empire last even longer.
the difference here is the uyghur thing is american propaganda while the prison thing is reality.
there’s plenty of other things that makes china look REALLY bad, but it’s not the uyghurs since it’s just the american pot calling the chinese kettle black and; even if it were 100% true; it’s not anywhere near as bad american prosecution of SOOOO many groups.
haha! Yeah a wikipedia link! Im sure the content anybody can edit isn’t being controlled by Western narratives 😂
