Why’s that?

Exactly. So if it sounds like a turbo encabulator, why so we need a tag?

It won’t work. You need a text classifier to do sentiment analysis, because “ai” is a concept, not just “ai”. TinyBERT or MiniLM I reckon could do it or if you really want to cut off your nose to spite your face, code the equivalent in python from scratch.

Say what you want about M$, but TinyBERT / MiniLM are awesome.

Smart play would be for the RSS reader to have that as optional plug in module, IMHO.

Sir, this is Lemmy. If you use AI in any way, you are clearly in league with the devil and deserve to burn.

I agree with all your points, BTW.

I posted this discussion because I wanted to explore both guard rails AND nuance around that sort of work flow, particularly for our new mod (and in light of several other scattered convos).

A lot of the diffuse FuckAI Lemmy crowd have poor understanding of code workflow. “AI bad” knee jerks so hard it’s going to dislocate something.

I’ve tried to argue this point, because roughly… ooh…100% of code gen touches AI something. So, do we tag everything?

What people really want is a [SLOP] tag, which is both lazy / not doing your own due diligence and impossible to implement.

In hindsight, I think the pragmatic approach is ultimately the workable (albeit blunted) one. Have the ai tag. It flattens everything but if stops brigading and slop, that’s the least amount of moderation work.

I appreciate you posting btw.

“Are you now, or have you ever been…”

I think you might need both for the tag bot to work properly but dunno.

So state of play / preview of coming attractions - yes to tags, once tagged, cannot complain about said tagged content. Formal sticky etc next week.

PS: I took a look at r/selfhosted - their bot seems to delete ALL new project posts and requires user to appeal / resubmit / verify directly. I think that’s problematic (and ironic, if you think about it - you’re trying to litigate ai/no ai with a bot) but not my circus, not my monkeys.

OK, fair but…“I’d rather have worse outcomes than touch AI” is sort of wedged against “I’d use AI if it was bundled with my RSS reader”, no?

Is it LLMs you object to, specifically, or ML in general? Would you use TinyBERT or E5 (language classifiers)?

Can we talk shop? I don’t want to come across as badgering you if you’re happy to put a pin in it, but I think this is a bad take. Like, if you’re going to try and solve this with Regex soup and spite, it’s going to hurt.

What happens if Codex, Claude, Cursor, LLM or phrases like “machine learning”, “generative ai” etc are mentioned?

Or when someone wants to have a discussion like this?

\bAI\b will miss almost all of it.

Note: I have no stake in you using or not using AI, an I am not trying to convert you to the church of Latter day Aiology. I am simply trying to []avoid doing real work[] chat.

I’m midly curious as to how.

How would (say) you using Qwen 3.5 4B be bad for you (specifically) in this case?

Qwen’s open weights, already trained, runs locally on your rig, doesn’t leak PII to the cloud and does the job.

Surely if AI discussion in feeds is causing grief, anything that removes that for you (your stated intention) is “good” for you?

Hey, even Che Guvera wore a Rolex. :)

PS: I think you’re circling something though - people are objecting to the idea of what they think AI is, based on emotional appeal. It’s a category error.

As in - you know damn well that the correct tool for sentiment analysis is an AI but you’d rather avoid using it because … whatever.

It’s that “because whatever” I’m pointing at, because right now it’s unexamined and at best scores you a pyrrhic victory. Sentence transformers, rankers and re-rankers are AI, the right tool for the job and you won’t use them because… Ai bad.

(You in the general sense, not you you).

Fucking snake assholes, amirite? Kill em all.

PS: I see you Jake Sully.

@curbstickle@anarchist.nexus - as per your suggestion, here is the AI tags discussion, which I imagine you’ve been eyeballing.

I don’t know where this leaves the community, nor how many responders are part of the community vs lookie loos. I would have put up a staw poll but that likely wouldn’t have helped much, signal:noise wise.

As the mod, do you have a read on all this or a preferred direction going forward?

Ironically…ai is probably an excellent tool to prefetch your content, perform sentiment analysis and then sanitise the content to your liking.

I’m up voting this twice.

[DOUBLE RAINBOW]

Sure. And while I’m doing that, you might like to google Poe’s Law.

Edit: you know what - I over reacted there and I apologise. Child slavery is a hot topic button and my head went to a weird place. I’m not going to uncook the chicken by deleting my post but I will admit I probably read it wrong at 5AM.

I stand by my read that their post was deliberately inflammatory framing, but it probably wasn’t intended as a “so, when did you stop beating your wife”.

I’m sorry, what? Did you just equate AI use to actual child slavery?

I don’t even know how to begin to respond to that.

Your analogy is irrational and frankly disgusting. Blocked.

Oh you wanna snark?

Sure, let’s just tag everything then. 97% of projects tagged. (I cited 2 sources to back that number up btw and I resent your implication that I made it up out of whole cloth).

Boom - done. You wanted all AI touched projects tagged, wish granted.

Hey, let’s tag posts with [USES ELECTRICITY] too while we’re at it. That’ll be equally fucking useful.

People don’t want an [AI] tag. They want a [SLOP] tag. Guess what - they can’t have it.

Do you think slop merchants will tag their posts with [SLOP]? No?

Do you need a tag to detect slop code? No? Then what the fuck is the point of tagging anything?

[AI] and [SLOP] aren’t in the same universe, and a tag can’t distinguish them.

You’re going to have people honestly trying to disclose AI use, only to get heckled, because Lemmy is so delightfully unbiased on anything AI.

Brilliant - that will do wonders for engagement.

Right?

To be clear - I don’t know how to solve this problem, or how big the problem is.

Good question - and that’s another problem. Not sure - can’t see any in Voyager. Can you see any on your end?