Which goes through the government.

Again if you want more income for those at the bottom you want efficient tax methods and 100% is not an efficient tax method since people will do EVERYTHING they can to avoid it. If people can accept a tax rate, they will pay it. Well a lot more people will pay it.

100% inheritence tax will go to the government though.

Still it’s basically stealing from families anyway.

Depends a bit on the country since they are all transforming their national payment system to Wero, some of them already have it like Germany and Belgium will be getting it in October this year. The Netherands will get it 2026-01-01.

You still wouldn’t want to do any taxation at 100%, make it 70 or 80% sure, but 100% is just bullshit and 70-80% will be enough. The way to get people to accept higher taxes is to explain it to hem. People will also do everything in their power to not pay that 100% tax, including just stopping their Dang business for that year if corporate income would be taxed at 100%

The spousal thing is generally solved in the world by giving an exception, in NL it’s like the first 800k is tax-free when your legal spouse dies.

Money inside companies is just money that will be taxed at a later date, the issue is that billionaires in the US put their stocks up as collateral taking out loans. It would be taxed again if they dividend it out or pay themselves somewhat of a wage.

The issue with companies is that evaluating them is something that you just cannot easily do every year for the tax report, unless you just go look at the equity = company value. We do have some designation for small, median and large companies based on revenue, balance total and FTE count, well at least in NL it is based on those 3.

Small companies need some tax breaks and larger companies don’t, but a lot of companies are split up to multiple different companies to be able to benefit from tax breaks.

Property should be community owned and exclusivity agreements should be temporary (i.e. real estate should be owned until death).

Owning a single property is not the issue, every family should be able to own one. It’s the fact that people own multiple properties. You want to make it so it is not a good financial decision to own multiple properties, either you as a business or you as a person.

generational wealth shouldn’t be a thing. You mean massive amount of generational wealth, but in my example that kid that lost his parents should still inherent that house right?

Just increase the inheritance tax for everything after a mil or so. It’s still a couple taxation, but hey

Yeah they are, but they will not be able to pay online with just the code since they have the IBAN listed and not the 16 digit code.

The new system is better anyway, why do we need to go back in time?

You can be as wealthy as you want, but once you die, it all goes back to the common pot.

So that 18-year-old that loses both his parents will inherent nothing? So he would have to live on the street or something? Or that women who lose their husband, so inheriting the other half of their combined income? Which will cause her to lose the house etc?

Inheriting a couple 100k or even a mill isn’t really the issue. Do tax it, yes, but 100% tax on anything is unreasonable, or at least if that happens at once. That’s why we have multiple different taxes.

100% taxing anything is just an unrealistic goal and not even needed. Going to 70-80% on income tax is enough. .Well that and fix the loan structure countries like the US has, make them unable to use stocks for colleteral for -loans. Musks wants another loan? Make him increase his salary or dividend it out and tax that with 70-80%.

If something is taxed

Most Dutch cards won’t work on North American sites. Our cards have an IBAN listed which cannot be entered on American sites. Paying with just the numbers on the card is not possibile unless it is a credit card or smething like Revolut iirc, which is bascially using the unsecure cards the American way or the 2FA system you explained, but that’s not most cards.

processing fees are typically paid by the vendor who includes it in prices everyone pays regardless of credit card. Depends a bit on the fees, most cc also do charge something to the user for paying in foreign currencies. Cc are more expensive on the vendor especially when using contactless payment.

Different here: by law no one who disputes a charge within 60 days is obligated to pay it until the dispute is resolved (within 90 days). It’s usually charged back immediately. Due to weak security, authorization is easier to dispute, and they won’t simply assume it. Even in the US they don’t do this in half the scenario’s

Yeah you are right, credit cards in the US are part of the consumerism system and are designed to get you people in as much debt as possible. Which is part of the reason why I am so against credit cards and keep complaining about the dang things. Companies in the US also force me to use a credit card (and to not have clear prices because you exclude the tax which is illegal when selling to the EU)

Who Steam? Yeah they will be using Wero since they are currently supporting iDeal and the like which are changing to become Wero.

Not in the slightest (cost me 0), and I do.

I work at an accounting firm and part of my job is advising on automation software and the like, automating credit cards is a hassle and often impossible. Sometimes when it is possible, only half the transactions are posted (just the payments and not the money received from other your bank account).

If they don’t cost you any more, then those are the once which are expensive on the stores you buy from. For one, there is additional bookkeeping to be done (deduct the costs from the payment when receiving the money) and the extra costs itself.

Not the main selling point.

For a lot of people on the internet, that small cashback is their reason they use it.,

A normal bank card spends your real money. Disputing through a bank may take longer. Until the bank returns money to your account, that money is gone.

A normal bank card is way harder to even get into a situation where you need to open a dispute and most credit card companies do not care about you getting scammed either btw because you authorised the transaction.

my checking account earns diddly squat interest & risk of unauthorized debits is meaningful (eg, debit cards)

Unauthorised debits are such a rare thing, nobody is going to accidentally wire money to you. Unless you are a business and it’s a double payment.

You are also explaining the reasons as to why I said that technical benefit of earning money on borrowed money is bullshit for the average Joe. Why are we discussing this if we agree it’s bullshit?

transferring between accounts (or selling less liquid assets) takes time

Transfers between accounts are instant these days and payments on your normal bank accounts can be a lot larger than on most credit cards. Credit cards are limited to 1k, 2.5k or 5k for most private individuals since you generally need to make x amount more a month (after taxes) than the limit of the card. The maximum on basically every bank account of a private individual is 50k

Constantly transferring between accounts for every single transaction is inconvenient. Leaving money in the checking account isn’t ideal due to low interest earnings & risk of unauthorized debits.

Irrelevant issue, you still gotta do this with a credit card since you have to pay off the dang thing. Most things are also a consistent thing and a monthly thing. You also mean unauthorised credits, btw. Banks turn around debit and credit like it’s their party.

charge expenses to a credit card (at most 30% of its credit limit) So like 300 bucks a month for most people, or 1500 if you have an advanced amount.

Always completely pay off a credit card by the payment due date. A credit card is a shitty account to carry a debt (any non-0 balance past the due date): only dumbasses do that.

This happens way more than you think, remember most people are terrible with money. You see this even more in countries like the US, where people take out loans for everything.

If it works like in the US, then as long as you make mortgage & all other bill payments on time, completely pay off credit cards by payment due dates, and keep credit utilization low (at most 30% of card’s credit limit), you should be fine.

In a lot of scenarios, they look at what you can monthly spend, because your past experiences don’t dictate your future. In NL and other countries it works something like this, but it is a lot more complicated in practise. If you have a monthly income of 5k, you pay say 1k taxes from that, which means you have 4k left over. In NL, there is something saying that you can only spend say 75% of your net income on loans. In this example, that’s 3k. If you have a car loan for 1k a month and a credit card of 1k and a phone where you pay 50 bucks for and a student loan where you pay 50 bucks for. Which means you can only spend 900 euro on your mortgage. In the US system you might be able to take a mortgage of 2k (just guessing/execrating) because you always paid off your phone, car and credit card loans nicely. Which means you would spend 3,1k a month on loans. Which is one way that a people get into financial trouble.

Are mortgages not paid there in regular installments with due amounts like in the US?

And this is why the US credit score is bullshit because yes we do, everywhere in the world.

You don’t have an account (maybe savings) that earns better interest? You’re not saving for emergencies, retirement, or goals?

Ofc we have savings for emergencies, most people do. Most of my emergency fund is located in a savings account, but still instantly accessible, which means it is at a low interest rate. I could lock the money for a year to get like 2.9% interest instead of the 1.2% I am getting or something (it’s on a free account).

It’s usually just slack time (until payment due date) to make a payment you would already make some other way.

Only the first month, after that it doesn’t really matter.

You still won’t be able to pay on the majority of American sites, since they lack a proper payment platform.

Even if you are good with your finances, they are still more expensive and if you use some kind of bookkeeping or budgeting software, you will have issues connecting the export.

Yes, I know of cashback, but those don’t exist everywhere and exist so you buy more to fund the consumerism going on. Which is actively hurting society.

The insurance part is nice, but often it’s not better than what you get with a normal bank card.

Creditcards in most countries will hurt your credt score because of if you are paying money to pay off a credit card you cannot use that money to pay for your mortgage.

There is also that technical benefit of having to pay later which means you can “invest” that money, but for the average joe that is an irrelevant benefit.

The only benefit to me of having one is that I can use them on American sites that don’t support other payment platforms which is most American sites (including Amazon.com, while the European brands do support Wero etc.)

You might be able to handle the responsibility of the credit card, but a lot of people don’t.

Being able to pay without 2FA is just risky business which is why the Dutch banks worked together (and so did the Belgium banks etc) to create a tool to make digital payments more secure. idk why it took so long to get one system for the entirety of the SEPA banking area though

Fuck credit cards they are terrible for your finances.

or just use Wero which they are gonna use anyway

Make sure 2FA is enables on all your banking

In a lot of countries you cannot just use your debit card directly on Steam like you would a credit card which includes just entering the numbers and you are good to go. Or in some cases it directs you to the credit card provider where you have to authenticate the payment.

Here in NL we have to use iDeal if we want to pay online with most banks, this requires us to 2FA the payment by scanning a code using their app. iDeal will become Wero and will become an international system since a lot of countries had something similar to the Dutch iDeal.

In my experience I have no issues being seen as the bad guy (but then again in NL you can actually vote for center parties) and I have had just as many people from the left as I have had from the right try and convince me that their side is better. My favourite one is “All violence comes from the left” lolol