None of what you said contradicts what I said, so I guess nice strawman?

I wrote it to prove that for most people LLMs impair learning.

cost effective

Yes counting the billionaire subsidies. But it’s very costly on the planet.

Ok? Don’t develop parasocial relationships with AI? Don’t use it to skip learning?

Sorry most people do. Few people use heroin to get better from sickness doesn’t mean the majority of people who get their hands on it will abuse it.

4 is anecdotal

Everything you said is anecdotal—that too a very unpopular opinion at that. Lol.

An accountant is going to become less sharp at math

yay we both agree. What has worked in schools is banning a calculator until a student gets proficient in basic arithmetic and math.

That’s what has worked. You can obviously use a calculator to check your answers etc without cheating and get better at math.

But that rarely happens in the real world.

Are you going to criticize every dev for not knowing how to code in assembly?

If you haven’t done even a little bit of assembly then you don’t know the fundamentals of CS—how a processor works etc. Yes I would criticize such devs.

AI can help enable people to learn things they previously could not

They fool you into thinking that you learned a lot. Why don’t you learn something with ai and then take a university exam or apply it in the world with chatgpt off?

I’m sure you’ll fail horribly.

Hmm. If you are confident that learning from ai will work out for you better than learning from humans or human created materials, go ahead.

But as I said it doesn’t work in the real world.

1. AI has been shown to make people stupid and mad.

2. All professors know this. Students are using llms to cheat in exams and skip learning.

3. Gen Z has the lowest attention span and reading comprehension skills mostly due to ai summaries. Few can even sit down and read a book anymore.

4. Using ai for coding and “agents” have eroded the skills of developers. Many have said so and I have seen it among my colleagues too.

I have a feeling we won’t make any progress here. I’ll stick to learning from humans and the learning materials they have left us.

But how would that be different from learning via a book

AI averages all the text on the internet. So you cannot rise above this bar if you learn from an llm. It’s only possible by reading text books written by human experts.

I can give my field as an example. It’s been objectively measured that AI generates terrible code compared to humans on average. So if you learn coding from an llm it’ll be disastrous compared to learning from text books or courses.

Benefits of llms for learning are not demonstrated in the lab. Studies have only shown the opposite—that ai makes you stupid and delusional.

You can ask it questions you might be embarrassed to ask actual people

lol. Reminds me of the Subnautica 2 drama. A CEO has a rich guy breakdown and asks Chatgpt how to avoid paying the developers of that game after it becomes a huge success. Chatgpt gives him a failed plan which gets him sued.

And all his embarrassing deleted conversations with chatgpt were retrieved by police.

True. The people around you IRL become an echo chamber and fool you into thinking that it is missing nowadays.

So many send me ai slop in chats, go on endless speeches about how they wrote an email, created a poster in 1 minute with chatgpt etc.

I started working on a side project recently with a dev on the condition that he would code without llms. We were aiming for very generous deadlines. But the quality and style of the code were horrible and inconsistent. It was as if each change was written by an amnesiac or a different intern who didn’t read the rest of the code.

I confronted him about it and he admitted to using llms from the start. Turns out he was spending 20-30 min a day generating ai slop and creating PRs. His response was “who cares the code is readable and it works.”

For sure. I have learned the basics of mountaineering, cooking and fermenting foods. I make sourdough bread, sprouts, and natto at home. And it’s so meditative. 😄

If you want someone to talk, I’m here btw. :/

Thanks so much for your kind words. There was some upside to this lol.

I have left my boring IT job that forced me to use AI and ship ridiculously fast. I vastly improved my fitness now and started working in outdoor adventures. It’s quite fun too.

They’re losing tons of moneys. The AI-bubble probably bursts soon.

Ikr. I’m eagerly waiting for it.

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Experiencing bullets in your foot? Remove your kevlar and helmet.

Can’t wait for the bubble to burst and ridiculous shit like this to go away…

As a philosopher, I have to remind you that humans invented math and physics to model reality.

Humans are not based on physics or math. That would be like saying the earth is based on a globe.