It means the messages aren’t specific to any one movement. It seems like wasted effort if they were going to slot him in to any category, since they’re open to interpretation as either ultra right wing memes or antifacist memelord quotes. Depending on the news source, they are being interpreted differently.
Or, maybe “they” made it intentionally occlusive to avoid a civil war. Because let’s face it, the right were calling for a violence before the casings even came out. Hell, they were calling for violence before the shooting, too.
My take is that since the public just wholesale bought the story about the UHC CEOs murderer engraving 9mm bullets, someone at WSJ (owned by Rupert/Lachlan Murdock, known Nazis and accelerationists) decided “hey let’s tell everyone these bullets had engravings too” and intentionally left the “messages” on the bullets vague enough to go either way. Once it was out there, people ran with it cause it sounded plausible.
Oh, I agree. I’m not sold on them even existing, either. But I’m debating available reported evidence.
My new personal, not totally serious, conspiracy theory is: They are real, Tyler is an edgy memelord with no affiliation, and someone at one of these organizations shoehorned the Groyper connection because they own Groyper Coin.
Is it plausible? Maybe. But we’re in a platos’ cave of media lies just trying to figure out what the shapes mean.
We have specific messages though, they were reported yesterday IIRC, after they arrested their primary suspect. It would be pretty incredible for them to completely fabricate the messages as well as have Utah’s governor believe them.
You shouldn’t form an opinion based on one piece of evidence. There are other details that I think adds to that conclusion, such as his conservative family (and apparently good relationship with them), apparent recent engagement with online communities (didn’t vote in 2024), attendance at schools in conservative areas, etc. He was likely conservative, and recently radicalized, so it’s more likely for him to shift to the radical right than the radical left.
OK, I misread your comment. You said “don’t totally believe” and I took that as “totally don’t believe.” It sounded like you were completely dismissing the possibility instead of expressing a lack of certainty.
But yeah, I’m on the same page here of not willing to say for certainty anything about this. I think the evidence is stronger for a far right motivation than a far left motivation. I also admit I have a less scientific reason for wanting that to be true: I want Trump to eat his words.
Hey fair enough. It’s hard to tell if someone’s misreading or lacks nuance. Glad to hear we’re on the same-ish page.
I’m rooting for “disenfranchised guy who was sick of everything,” because nothing will piss off both parties more than someone they can’t fit in a box.
It means the messages aren’t specific to any one movement. It seems like wasted effort if they were going to slot him in to any category, since they’re open to interpretation as either ultra right wing memes or antifacist memelord quotes. Depending on the news source, they are being interpreted differently.
Or, maybe “they” made it intentionally occlusive to avoid a civil war. Because let’s face it, the right were calling for a violence before the casings even came out. Hell, they were calling for violence before the shooting, too.
My take is that since the public just wholesale bought the story about the UHC CEOs murderer engraving 9mm bullets, someone at WSJ (owned by Rupert/Lachlan Murdock, known Nazis and accelerationists) decided “hey let’s tell everyone these bullets had engravings too” and intentionally left the “messages” on the bullets vague enough to go either way. Once it was out there, people ran with it cause it sounded plausible.
Oh, I agree. I’m not sold on them even existing, either. But I’m debating available reported evidence.
My new personal, not totally serious, conspiracy theory is: They are real, Tyler is an edgy memelord with no affiliation, and someone at one of these organizations shoehorned the Groyper connection because they own Groyper Coin.
Is it plausible? Maybe. But we’re in a platos’ cave of media lies just trying to figure out what the shapes mean.
“A Plato’s cave of media lies” LOL too fucking true, they’ve figured out how to propagate lies everywhere simultaneously
We have specific messages though, they were reported yesterday IIRC, after they arrested their primary suspect. It would be pretty incredible for them to completely fabricate the messages as well as have Utah’s governor believe them.
I never said they fabricated messages. Just that if they’re real, I don’t totally believe the guy’s a Groyper because of them.
You shouldn’t form an opinion based on one piece of evidence. There are other details that I think adds to that conclusion, such as his conservative family (and apparently good relationship with them), apparent recent engagement with online communities (didn’t vote in 2024), attendance at schools in conservative areas, etc. He was likely conservative, and recently radicalized, so it’s more likely for him to shift to the radical right than the radical left.
You say “likely” a lot for someone arguing against me for not holding a hard opinion.
I’ve probably read more on this than you have, and posted what I felt about the available evidence, item by item, in another comment Here.
OK, I misread your comment. You said “don’t totally believe” and I took that as “totally don’t believe.” It sounded like you were completely dismissing the possibility instead of expressing a lack of certainty.
But yeah, I’m on the same page here of not willing to say for certainty anything about this. I think the evidence is stronger for a far right motivation than a far left motivation. I also admit I have a less scientific reason for wanting that to be true: I want Trump to eat his words.
Hey fair enough. It’s hard to tell if someone’s misreading or lacks nuance. Glad to hear we’re on the same-ish page.
I’m rooting for “disenfranchised guy who was sick of everything,” because nothing will piss off both parties more than someone they can’t fit in a box.