Admittedly we don’t know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too.
we also created farms and art before feudalism. feudalism is also a capitalist structured society. capitalism did not come into existence when adam smith described it, he was just discussing how feudalism gates access to the commons through access to power. capitalism has existed for 12000 years, at least, we only started calling it capitalism in the 1700s. the key features of capitalism are owners of wealth generating resources, and workers who are paid to generate wealth using these wealth generating resources. in the age of feudalism, the wealth generating resource was the land itself, and how the ownership class acquired it was through their access to violence.
Ok, capitalism bad, but are we actually pretending that feudalism isn’t worse?
I don’t think c/flippanarchy is advocating for feudalism in their critique of capitalism, but I could be wrong!
There’s not much else to choose from if you are looking at cities, etc, built before modern capitalism.
You are missing the point.
Here it is again: Capitalism is not a requirement for human advancement.
If that’s the point, then stop pointing to the past as an example of it. All that’s proving is that there are worse options we have tried.
Is it?
Admittedly we don’t know loads about but Mohen Darjo and early Uruk look pretty good, and some Mayan cities and American Indian nations seem like they had very good standards of life pre-Europeans too.
we also created farms and art before feudalism. feudalism is also a capitalist structured society. capitalism did not come into existence when adam smith described it, he was just discussing how feudalism gates access to the commons through access to power. capitalism has existed for 12000 years, at least, we only started calling it capitalism in the 1700s. the key features of capitalism are owners of wealth generating resources, and workers who are paid to generate wealth using these wealth generating resources. in the age of feudalism, the wealth generating resource was the land itself, and how the ownership class acquired it was through their access to violence.