• fizzle@quokk.au
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    2 days ago

    People just don’t want to be involved, and I’m not going to judge them for that.

    As in, I have a wife and 2 young kids. My purpose in life is to care for and support them. If I’m at work or whatever and some goons show up to abduct someone I don’t know, I’m not going to start blasting and go down in a blaze of glory because of an ideological position.

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      If you or your wife/kids were being abducted and sent to the camps, would you be happy knowing everyone else stood by not wanting to get involved?

      I get being scared, but inaction is destroying countless families. If everyone stands together, the risk factor goes down.

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        The comment i replied to is advocating shooting at ICE goons.

        Have you shot any of them recently?

        Put your dick away mate.

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          Actually I wasn’t advocating for shit. I was merely observing that this is the literal scenario you guys stated you needed your emotional support weapons for, and how I’m surprised no one is using them.

          Makes sense that they’re targeting less gun-prone areas, but still, there’s gotta be some percentage of carry-ers outside of NY no?

          I agree with (Edit:the commenter)Aussie though; I’ll post the full quote here so maybe even one more person sees it and internalizes it. Link to the Holocaust Encyclopedia

           First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
          
          Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
          
          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
          
          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
          
          —Martin Niemöller
          
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            Sure ok, but my explanation as to why people aren’t shooting at ICE agents remains the same.

            The “they came for” quote is emotive, but a great many people are indeed “speaking out”, and taking action in non-violent ways.

            Quite obviously, people aren’t shooting at ICE because they don’t want to get shot.

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      I have a very small family, including people who are in very vulnerable groups that MAGA hates. Right now, I have to mind my manners, because they rely on me. But if ANYTHING were to happen to those people, I would have nothing left to lose, and I would become very dangerous indeed.

      And I’m not going down in a blaze of glory either. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and I would be far more calculated and surgical.

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      The truth is there would be more incidents of people fighting back if all the people here actually stood by what they say.

      Notice how there isn’t. Talk is cheap and this place proves it.

      The truth is- youre exactly right. People don’t stupidly sacrifice themselves knowing there is no popular pushback. And at this moment there is not that popular notion that things need to be overturned.

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      I’m not going to start blasting and go down in a blaze of glory because of an ideological position.

      And if you don’t resist, they’ll kill you anyway. Now what?

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        Not necessarily. There’s loads of ways to resist without getting myself shot.

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      An ideological position like democracy, freedom and liberty? This is why the US is where it is. Those things don’t come from nothing. They come from people willing to fight for them.