Homework was a reinforcement exercise meant to turn the short term memory of what you learned that day into long term memory which could be remembered for years to come.
I never did my homework and was able to retain almost everything I was taught in class. The main issue with that is basically everything taught to my classmates and I outside of English and math turned out to be wrong as science and history and such learned more over time. Like how none of my favorite dinosaurs were even real; they just made shit up with different bones.
Understandable. My feelings with homework is that it is an exercise. In college/university it was optional for us. Didn’t effect your grade, it was recommended review essentially. Aka if you aren’t sure you know what you need to know, so look at this if you wanr. If you’d struggle, study. If you don’t. Ignore it.
Unfortunately telling 8 year olds some people don’t need to do homework, doesn’t roll over as smoothly.
“You can’t spell read Jimmy, you keep writing reed; which makes you sound dumber than you are” doesn’t work well as a response
Cool story. Literally none of it worth listening in a meaningful way, but you have seeming not retained how science, stats, and studies work.
Our understanding of science constantly changes as we learn new things. Do you think we shouldn’t teach kids science because we might learn something new that shows what we used to know was wrong?
No. What? The fuck?
Did only one person understand what I said? The other replies and downvotes suggest not.
Does lemmy have a /im14andthisisdeep comm? This would be perfect
Please, education is important. Cutting education and anti-intellectualism is are what helped fascists get in power
Education is important, reviewing previously learned stuff is important…but homework as a system does absolutely create a situation where kids are spending unbounded time outside of school on schoolwork. Practically, it’s way the fuck too much. IMO school time, like work time, should be bounded.
So problem is not homework but too much home work
Well…I think the “home” part of homework is also a problem. IMO we should really do review work at school or in some non-home space, and non-recreation time.
Like the 8 hour work day was supposed to be 8 hours work, 8 hours rest, and 8 hours recreation. School + homework + transit regularly exceeds the 8 hours. (And 8 hours work is way too much, we should be working wildly less with the incredible technologies that have been developed since the 8 hours work day concept was created.)
Work From Home is great, just don’t do WFH as extra work, if you work from home it is work and you count your hours.
If your company is making you work overtime, unpaid, you can file a complaint and leave, let’s not everyone be so desperate to work that we give employers leverage to rape us even harder than they already are.
Unfortunately, if you work in the US, you are salaried (i.e. paid a fixed wage, not by hours worked) and make more than $684 per week (which would be very hard to survive on), the concept of overtime basically doesn’t exist.
My company could order me tomorrow to work 80 hours next week and there’s not much I could really do about that.
If you live in a state where employment is “at-will” or “right-to-work” (which is actually the opposite of what it sounds like), they can just get rid of you without cause.
I am lucky to have a boss who functions as a shield from all bullshit coming from above him. I refer to him jokingly as our “shit-shield” haha. He regularly goes to bat for us, but most people are not so lucky.
95% of the world is safe from having to work in America.
Good for them then lol
Oh there’s certainly a lot you can do about it. You can refuse and you can just quit your job. Nobody can force you to work 80 hours if you don’t want to.
Technically correct, and that is the intended spirit of “at-will” - but that’s the very thing I disagree with. I need this job, and it would represent an immense hardship personally to have to drop everything and find a new job which might not necessarily be any better.
We need more serious protections against that. At the very least, firings should always have a valid reason, and I shouldn’t have to fear getting cut when I tell my employer to pound sand after they try to double my hours. There should be a cap to begin with on uncompensated hours.
lol professions often require you constantly be reviewing and keeping up to date with meaningful changes in the field
Real life may actually require you to keep on learning 🫨
I swear it feels like people genuinely want the wall-e chairs
I do want the Wall-E chairs, but I would never actually accept them. It’s like how I want a 20-liter bucket of fettuccine Alfredo, but I would never accept and eat one.
Are you sure you’re not confusing what a want is with something that you don’t want?
For example you actually don’t want a wall-e chair because you would never actually accept one. Similarly, you don’t actually want a 20-liter bucket of fettuccine Alfredo because, again, you would never accept it.
A want is something you’d actually like to have so if you wouldn’t accept it that sounds like something you don’t want to have…
I want a world where I can use those things without doing irreparable damage to my body and mind. I can fantasize about them when divorced from the practicalities.
Even if we removed the health effects…sitting in a wall-e chair chugging Alfredo sauce is being irreparably damaged in body and mind
You can also just do that already by staring at your phone all day and eating processed food
sitting in a wall-e chair chugging Alfredo sauce
This is an unfair and libelous depiction of my utopia where I sit in a Wall-E chair chugging Alfredo sauce with, I’ll thank you to remember, fettuccine noodles mixed in.
Not opposing education in any way. But I wish it serves the purpose of welfare for good people and not to work under any pedo.
This doesn’t feel like a meme. It feels like someone actually believes this.
homeworks
Skipped it, I see.
Nah homework is how you create discipline in kids. So they learn how to do things on their own, plan and focus on things without constantly having an authoritarian figure watching them.
It’s why the smartest kids who never had to do homework or prep often struggle when they go to university where they have to read entire chapters to prepare for every class. Because they lack the discipline to plan and focus.
And even outside work life there are plenty of things where an adult needs discipline and planning skills to live a successful life.
Too bad more often than not the kids that actually do homework do it only if their parents sit down with them every night to do it together
“Too bad [some shit I just made up with no empirical evidence].”
This is 100% true. I was fantastic at school. I could read the book and just remember it all when it came time for class and crushed every q&a, quiz, assessment or test offered to us at every stage.
When I got to college I found the hardest part to be committing to the work since so little of it could be done in class. I still did pretty okay in college because most of it seemed to just be an assessment of what you knew and could do in the moment, but I definitely struggled with time management having never built up the skills necessary to study or knuckle down for a couple of days to cram.
Where it hit most was with foreign language and computer science classes. My Japanese is shit, but I was able to fall back on my obsession with electronics to make a career out of computer science.
I got really fucking lucky I think, because I did well in school but I was not very good at it. I know plenty of people that didn’t get the GPA I did or have all AP classes that are currently doing extremely well for themselves because they learned one of the more important skills you can learn in school, discipline.
I work exactly the same hours when i work from home as when I work at the office. The only difference is the 90 minute commute on office days.
I’d say that I probably “work” more hours from home. At work if I get so tired I zone out and am fighting to stay conscious, that cycle of trying to stay awake, trying to focus, going for a walk, getting coffee, can all put a 2 or 3 hr whole in my day. At home, I will set a 15min timer on my phone and then go crash on the couch (just comfortable enough for a nap, but not for a long sleep). Even on rare days when I am really wrecked, after 45 min I am ready to focus and get back to work. Additionally, since I don’t have a deadline to beat traffic, and I take naps whenever I need, if I am focused and in the flow, I don’t just stop working at the end of the day. I ride that focus and flow to its natural fall off. Whereas if I am commuting, when my alarm goes off, I am done and out of the building like a god damn ninja.
OK you can hate HOMEwork and instead do everything at school or work, namely study there, but what genuinely matters for studying is that you DO do the work. You have to do the exercises, over and over again, more and more challenging, otherwise nothing gets through. You only get the “feeling” of understanding without getting the practice.
Learning without practice is like being a theoretical athlete. Hate homework all you want but learn to love studying by doing.
More importantly, homework teaches responsibility and self-accountability as well as time management. I hated it, I got through school without ever doing it, and I had to learn these things later on to my own detriment. But I had massive problems with authority caused by emotional incest from my mother, so it took a lot of work to re-parent myself into a successful person who could follow rules and realize they were sometimes there to help me.
emotional incest from my mother
I’m guessing that’s a typo but I’m not sure what you were trying to type O_O
I took it to mean there were some oedipal dynamics going on, but nothing sexual or romantic per se.
You are assuming an ideal case where the homework is challenging enough and meets the student where they’re at. That is quite a rare educational experience IMO. There also has to be the right amount, so that students are working and getting that practice without getting burnt out. More often homework is “busy-work”, or doesn’t go hand in hand with lessons, and there’s way too much of it. I’ve even seen it used as punishment or retribution.
Why the hate on WFH? You get to do your regular job, but in the comfort of your own home and the added benefit of not spending time on transport to/from the office.
Imho home gets tainted by WFH. It loses some of its „hole appeal“
That’s a you thing, I haven’t had my home lose its „hole appeal“ after years of it.
I have been 100% wfh for like 4 years and I dread the day I need to start looking for a new job, cuz I’ll inevitably have to go back into the office again.
I’m gonna leave the typo for hilarity purposes.
And of course it’s a me thing. I just answered OP’s question.
Fair enough, WFH is obviously not for you then, good thing for you then that no one is forcing people to WFH these days, quite the contrary.
I recognise I’m an outlier. Just wanted to share my perspective to answer your question. Also I don’t really hate wfh, I just prefer to not do it.
I got a building in the back that’s my WFH location (and home brewery).
Helps me split work from home.
But even if you don’t have the physical space, it’s not to hard to set some boundaries for yourself.
I’ve found it quite easy to keep one from another, with the sole exception being other people. If you have other people around, it gets a lot harder.
For many people, it’s important to have a room, or at least a dedicated desk, that is only for work. You go to that room/desk for work, and when your day is over, you leave that room/desk and don’t return to it until work starts the next day.
Your entire home cannot be your workspace, otherwise you cease to have a home and only have a workspace.
Homework is a mass noun. It has no plural.
Clearly OP didn’t do enough homeworks
It depends on the subject and what you’re studying. Many subjects are like learning the piano - if the only time you practice is when you’re having your lesson with your teacher, you will never develop real competence or improve beyond a surface level. That said, everyone needs different levels of reinforcement, and the one that’s picked by a teacher is often arbitrary both in focus and in timing, so if an individual student has a more optimal way of doing their own reinforcement, they should be encouraged in that.
I mean that’s true except most kids (and probably their parents) also don’t know the “more optimal way” that suits the kid and will just opt to do less work. Most people are pretty bad at learning and retention as evidenced by, well, talking to people in public.
You could make the argument that that people got that away because teachers don’t get “optimal learning” either, which is a position I would support. However, I don’t think kids and parents choosing “always do less” is gonna fix it.
Oh, don’t get me wrong… I completely agree. Being able to learn responsibly is ALSO a skill that undeveloped children are bad at at first. I was just pointing out that, in an absolute sense, homework has a real and important purpose, and it’s NOT work culture indoctrination.
On that front we certainly agree. The sentiment of the meme is bogus.
Public school is just the child/teen preparation camp for monotonous and routine jobs later.
There should be no homework in grade school. Kids need to play and have stress free time with their families.
When I was in the equivalent of grade school, I always forgot to do my homework, so it never mattered to me how much homework the teacher set 😅
