I would argue it is either 1) neither necessary nor sufficient, or 2) that it is sufficient but not necessary. Which line depends on whether we are talking about something literally BEING a meme, or something merely having the potential to be a meme.
In the former case - whether something is a meme or not - having text is neither necessary nor sufficient. Adding text to an image does not a meme make, and equally some memes do not have text (or aren’t images at all).
In the latter - whether something could be a meme - adding text is sufficient to provide that potential. It may not be necessary (6-7 for example) but it could be enough.
Hey, if grandpa is old enough to recognize this one, he probably remembers the attempts by /b/ users to find some definition of “meme” (or at least internet memes) that excluded the garbage that reddit popularized to the point of ending up being shared by “normies” on facebook.
I get it, it used to be important to me too. Gatekeeping was the point for a lot of people who defined themselves by membership to a sort of secret internet “in-club” when they didn’t fit into any groups or cliques irl. At least, that was the case with me like 18 years ago or so.
It was never about the literal definition, but about making a definition for “internet in-joke” to create lines of separation between the in-group and the out-group.
At one point, “meme” was only synonymous with those rage faces. This was the 9gag days. It really grinded my gears. And this was indeed caused by normies adopting the term.
If it has not been imitated / repeated it’s literally not a meme. That’s not gatekeeping, it’s observing a definition.
You have even agreed with me in your definition. Posting a random picture with some text on it that you made that has imitated nothing is not a meme, it’s just a picture with text on it.
The picture is not necessarily the meme. The format is. That’s where you’re gatekeeping. Posting a random new picture with a caption on top, that’s still a meme format.
Oh, is that why this com is called memeformats and not memes? That’s a huge stretch to say “oh it’s a picture with words so it’s a meme”. No, it isn’t.
It’s literally just some text on a picture…?
It is one of the necessary conditions for a meme, but it is not sufficient.
I would argue it is either 1) neither necessary nor sufficient, or 2) that it is sufficient but not necessary. Which line depends on whether we are talking about something literally BEING a meme, or something merely having the potential to be a meme.
In the former case - whether something is a meme or not - having text is neither necessary nor sufficient. Adding text to an image does not a meme make, and equally some memes do not have text (or aren’t images at all).
In the latter - whether something could be a meme - adding text is sufficient to provide that potential. It may not be necessary (6-7 for example) but it could be enough.
A meme is any reusable, repeated format, literally speaking. You’re just gatekeeping.
Hey, if grandpa is old enough to recognize this one, he probably remembers the attempts by /b/ users to find some definition of “meme” (or at least internet memes) that excluded the garbage that reddit popularized to the point of ending up being shared by “normies” on facebook.
I get it, it used to be important to me too. Gatekeeping was the point for a lot of people who defined themselves by membership to a sort of secret internet “in-club” when they didn’t fit into any groups or cliques irl. At least, that was the case with me like 18 years ago or so.
It was never about the literal definition, but about making a definition for “internet in-joke” to create lines of separation between the in-group and the out-group.
At one point, “meme” was only synonymous with those rage faces. This was the 9gag days. It really grinded my gears. And this was indeed caused by normies adopting the term.
“Memes” being just rage faces and advice animals to the wider internet was probably the most infuriating time period for me.
It was like the whole world collectively and simultaneously chose the most embarassing ways to anthropomophize their emotions.
It’s happening again with the term “AI”.
Before “meme” was adopted, they were widely known as “image macros.”
Another term prior to “meme” was to refer to meme ideas as “fads”!
Meme definition
If it has not been imitated / repeated it’s literally not a meme. That’s not gatekeeping, it’s observing a definition.
You have even agreed with me in your definition. Posting a random picture with some text on it that you made that has imitated nothing is not a meme, it’s just a picture with text on it.
The picture is not necessarily the meme. The format is. That’s where you’re gatekeeping. Posting a random new picture with a caption on top, that’s still a meme format.
Oh, is that why this com is called memeformats and not memes? That’s a huge stretch to say “oh it’s a picture with words so it’s a meme”. No, it isn’t.