No see taking office when elected by hoth popular AND electoral vote is divisive and bad politics. You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU
You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU
Ah yes totally goes with saying we should punish/investigate criminals instead of going we must only look forward not back so the country can heal. We can’t do anything about past crimes
Probably better than what we have now in many ways but don’t get your hopes too high from people who belong to the current establishment. In europe plenty of “good” politicians from alternative parties won elections and guess what? Once in power they didn’t do shit of what they promised and ended up licking the boot or corporations like anyone else.
At least you’re admitting Bernie would have won in 2016.
But yeah, I’m similarly pessimistic about the 2016 Bernie alt-history. Too many conservative democrats would have stood against his agenda.
The electability argument has been proven to be false —Kamala lost, Zorhan won—, conservative dems don’t offer to improve people’s lives materially. What is the positive case for conservative democrats at this point? (Other than “They aren’t as bad as Trump”.)
He would have been absolutely hamstrung by the the bullshit factory that is the legislature, and nothing good would have happened that wasn’t undone immediately by the next administration.
So we’re to show no authority against billionaires and their enforcers (police) and validators (law workers/politicians) because it might go too far? Slippery slope claims tend to just reinforce the status quo since it stops people from doing anything functional. The status quo is definitively authoritarian.
Not saying that it has to, but is there an example of “without being generally authoritarian” out there in the wild somewhere? Because imo every country on earth uses authority to uphold some class structure and my country, even if we had all the things we wanted to make us happier (affordable housing, free medical care and education, public transit, etc) it would still show authority over the global south to maintain itself.
Iirc the Spanish and Ukrainian anarchists were doing a good job of that while fighting off fascists and monarchists before the communists stabbed them in the back.
Also the Zapatistas have some territories and practice direct democracy.
My line is you can use force, organised even, but don’t give the state a tool that can, and historically has been, turned on you
And I’m pointing out that history repeats itself when you don’t learn from it.
Just like the fascists of today are fucking shit up like the ones in 1920s-40s Europe, the auth left extremists would fuck shit up like the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
The horseshoe theory shitlibs trot out to defame the left may be bullshit (definitely is), but auth left oppresses people because it’s auth.
You just don’t get good things from a select group excessively controlling everybody, no matter which group that is and how good their initial intentions are.
I don’t agree. They waited until they lost a supermajority in congress to push healthcare reform (what became Obamacare). And dang, wouldn’t you know it, mean old republicans wouldn’t let us have single payer.
So we got a healthcare bill that mandated we buy (generally) private market insurance. A bill written by Penny Pritzker, an insurance industry lobbyist.
It’s kabuki. There’s only one party — the billionaire party.
No, the problem with the leading Dems is that they ONLY respect the institutions. And their owner donors, of course.
They’d rather let a million people die from lack of political action than subvert the Holy System or inconvenience the rich people legally (and sometimes illegally) bribing them.
Imagine the world we’d live in if those corpo fucks didn’t screw over Bernie
Hey, it was her TURN
That is true. Have to be fair.
Or persecuted Nixon, or Reagan, or Bush Sr, or didn’t give up when gore “lost” to bush jr
*prosecuted
Not like they did anything so not really much of a difference
No see taking office when elected by hoth popular AND electoral vote is divisive and bad politics. You dumbfuck commies understand nothing about politics. Now drink my slushy poop without making any faces and be my slave forever OR YOU ARE LITERALLY A FASCIST AND IM CALLING ICE ON YOU
Ah yes totally goes with saying we should punish/investigate criminals instead of going we must only look forward not back so the country can heal. We can’t do anything about past crimes
Doing anything about past crimes is impossible, sorry. Also currently ongoing crimes.
Or if harris had literally a single electoral group she didnt actively spray shit on
Or if clinton hadnt helped trump win
Or…
Probably better than what we have now in many ways but don’t get your hopes too high from people who belong to the current establishment. In europe plenty of “good” politicians from alternative parties won elections and guess what? Once in power they didn’t do shit of what they promised and ended up licking the boot or corporations like anyone else.
We’d have an additional 4 years before Trump fascism.
Cool.
At least you’re admitting Bernie would have won in 2016.
But yeah, I’m similarly pessimistic about the 2016 Bernie alt-history. Too many conservative democrats would have stood against his agenda.
The electability argument has been proven to be false —Kamala lost, Zorhan won—, conservative dems don’t offer to improve people’s lives materially. What is the positive case for conservative democrats at this point? (Other than “They aren’t as bad as Trump”.)
I mean, they did with Obama. It’s why the ACA we got is identical to what Clinton ran on.
Those millions of corpo fucks voting in primaries, how evil of them.
I got this shit from him after Oct. 7 so don’t be so sure
He has moved away from being this outright shit since then, I will concede.
He would have been absolutely hamstrung by the the bullshit factory that is the legislature, and nothing good would have happened that wasn’t undone immediately by the next administration.
Haven’t you been reading the news? Apparently you don’t need congress.
People are OK with auth right. But auth left? Oh no, that’s not gonna happen. The military would coup the shit out of that real quick.
Auth Left is still inherently abusive.
No matter how much you pretend that it’s for the greater good, authoritarianism will always be detrimental to the relatively powerless masses.
Using authority against billionaires is good actually
Yeah, but it’s not like auth left stops there.
You can have egalitarian taxation and common sense regulations without being generally authoritarian, and you should.
So we’re to show no authority against billionaires and their enforcers (police) and validators (law workers/politicians) because it might go too far? Slippery slope claims tend to just reinforce the status quo since it stops people from doing anything functional. The status quo is definitively authoritarian.
Not saying that it has to, but is there an example of “without being generally authoritarian” out there in the wild somewhere? Because imo every country on earth uses authority to uphold some class structure and my country, even if we had all the things we wanted to make us happier (affordable housing, free medical care and education, public transit, etc) it would still show authority over the global south to maintain itself.
Iirc the Spanish and Ukrainian anarchists were doing a good job of that while fighting off fascists and monarchists before the communists stabbed them in the back.
Also the Zapatistas have some territories and practice direct democracy.
My line is you can use force, organised even, but don’t give the state a tool that can, and historically has been, turned on you
Oh I’m not pretending anything. Just saying that auth left would never get as far as Trump is getting.
History would very much disagree with you.
Not talking about history. Talking about what would happen today.
And I’m pointing out that history repeats itself when you don’t learn from it.
Just like the fascists of today are fucking shit up like the ones in 1920s-40s Europe, the auth left extremists would fuck shit up like the likes of Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
The horseshoe theory shitlibs trot out to defame the left may be bullshit (definitely is), but auth left oppresses people because it’s auth.
You just don’t get good things from a select group excessively controlling everybody, no matter which group that is and how good their initial intentions are.
“People” or Russian bots?
The problem with the Democrats is that they still have respect for the constitution and institutions. Otherwise they’d get a lot done.
I don’t agree. They waited until they lost a supermajority in congress to push healthcare reform (what became Obamacare). And dang, wouldn’t you know it, mean old republicans wouldn’t let us have single payer.
So we got a healthcare bill that mandated we buy (generally) private market insurance. A bill written by Penny Pritzker, an insurance industry lobbyist.
It’s kabuki. There’s only one party — the billionaire party.
~ Julius Nyerere.
No, the problem with the leading Dems is that they ONLY respect the institutions. And their owner donors, of course.
They’d rather let a million people die from lack of political action than subvert the Holy System or inconvenience the rich people legally (and sometimes illegally) bribing them.
The problem with democrats is that they feign respect for the constitution and institutions when it means enabling fascists.
They didn’t give a shit about the constitution or institutions when they ignored the Leahy law to play arms dealer for genocide.
Then why don’t they take office when elected?
They dont have respect. They just would rather see the other guys win than the the window move one nanometer left
Also true.
Not that there’s really any “winning” here but it’s nice to dream of the imaginary reprieve we never got.
Life is pain, highness. Anyone who says different is selling you something.
He didn’t need congress to sell weapons for genocide.
He just needed congress when it was shit he didn’t want to do.