Btw, @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is a case in point of what I was referring to. @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is in one of the lefties that is saying we should ignore voting. They are not wrong that the dems don’t represent us, but they are also not willing to show up to primaries to move them as left as possible, nor will they likely be interested in splitting. I’d like to be wrong, but it is all to common on lemmy.
Which means the meme will hold and we will still be left with no influence for another election cycle. Its a massive unforced error to ignore elections. They are not the end all be all, but they will add credibility to our movement. Being able to get millions of followers to show up one day to tick some lines on a paper means you are also able to get them to organize in other ways too. We only hurt our own credibility and presence in peoples minds. As our own party or subsection of the dems (like the tea party of sorts) it does not matter; tho it would be nice to be our own faction.
These ultra Leftists will cry for communism but haven’t done shit to build it from the ground up. They will criticize Progressives and Dem Socs for organizing while they themselves remain as keyboard warriors.
I think Lenin made it very clear that we are to operate within the existing societal systems before any revolution is had. That means voting. And as you point out, that also means primary-ing bad Democrats.
I think @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is genuine in wanting resistance, but is failing to see that in practice it will mean no resistance. I never said electoralism is all we need. I am saying that it is a form of organizing and one that bring credibility to our movement. It shows numbers and willingness to act in a way that is political and explicit in its goals.
How do you organize in a system meant to disorganize⸮
I think you’re unwilling to directly organize outside of the systems that oppress us. You keep adamantly avoiding my questions, as if I do not see how 🇺🇲 has historically genocided Leftists. Our goals have been explicit from the start, yet, how did you treat us?
Again, what are the Leftist party in 🇺🇲 I can “vote for”?
Very simple dear, refresh my responses to IC2: the electoralist is perfectly aware 🇺🇲 is about to implement Reichstagsbrandverordnung in order to genocide all political opponents this 🇺🇲midterms.
Wait, you legit believe popular votes actually elect presidents‽
Doesn’t matter. It is a form of organizing. And if you have the popular vote it is also obvious and the momentum is there to force a change by popular uprising.
Are you going to join me in demolishing one?
I am questioning your commitment to organizing to take one down. Can’t even get you to show up to a lower stakes polling place, but you are going to lay siege to a fortified camp? Sure bud.
You may have missed some information here.
Btw, @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com this is a case in point of what I was referring to. @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is in one of the lefties that is saying we should ignore voting. They are not wrong that the dems don’t represent us, but they are also not willing to show up to primaries to move them as left as possible, nor will they likely be interested in splitting. I’d like to be wrong, but it is all to common on lemmy.
Which means the meme will hold and we will still be left with no influence for another election cycle. Its a massive unforced error to ignore elections. They are not the end all be all, but they will add credibility to our movement. Being able to get millions of followers to show up one day to tick some lines on a paper means you are also able to get them to organize in other ways too. We only hurt our own credibility and presence in peoples minds. As our own party or subsection of the dems (like the tea party of sorts) it does not matter; tho it would be nice to be our own faction.
These ultra Leftists will cry for communism but haven’t done shit to build it from the ground up. They will criticize Progressives and Dem Socs for organizing while they themselves remain as keyboard warriors.
I think Lenin made it very clear that we are to operate within the existing societal systems before any revolution is had. That means voting. And as you point out, that also means primary-ing bad Democrats.
So, you want to bomb us again?
How many more McCarthyism do you need to comprehend your electors are bought and paid for?
Bro if you can’t be bothered to vote I have no confidence you will show up to back me up with a rifle.
Wait, you legit believe popular votes actually elect presidents‽
I don’t even want riffles when you have comrades suffering in deathcamps.
Are you going to join me in demolishing one?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying your position is “don’t vote don’t resist”? Because that’s what this sounds like.
I think @AntiBullyRanger@ani.social is genuine in wanting resistance, but is failing to see that in practice it will mean no resistance. I never said electoralism is all we need. I am saying that it is a form of organizing and one that bring credibility to our movement. It shows numbers and willingness to act in a way that is political and explicit in its goals.
How do you organize in a system meant to disorganize⸮
I think you’re unwilling to directly organize outside of the systems that oppress us. You keep adamantly avoiding my questions, as if I do not see how 🇺🇲 has historically genocided Leftists. Our goals have been explicit from the start, yet, how did you treat us?
Again, what are the Leftist party in 🇺🇲 I can “vote for”?
None as we have neglected to form one.
Now, you are denying history. And my direct affiliation which we formed.
Any more electoralist sentiments you want you say?
Read my profile for awhile.
I am saying something far more clear InternetCitizen2 is unwilling to commit.
You may think you are, but your weird anchor text advert style of writing is quite confusing and honestly a little infuriating.
It doesn’t even seem to be related to what’s being talked about, which kinda makes me wonder what the point is.
Yeah, this person seems to be whataboutism personified.
If you mean IC2, sure.
If you mean me, why aren’t you demolishing deathcamps too?
Very simple dear, refresh my responses to IC2: the electoralist is perfectly aware 🇺🇲 is about to implement Reichstagsbrandverordnung in order to genocide all political opponents this 🇺🇲midterms.
Instead of actually doing direct acts against the rise of Nazism in🇺🇲, IC2 is preferring to coalesce the Deutschnationale Volkspartei coalition.
I see the Nazi praxis being reformed, instead of the antifascist acts.
Doesn’t matter. It is a form of organizing. And if you have the popular vote it is also obvious and the momentum is there to force a change by popular uprising.
I am questioning your commitment to organizing to take one down. Can’t even get you to show up to a lower stakes polling place, but you are going to lay siege to a fortified camp? Sure bud.
pfffffpft Ok electoralist, where is your “uprise”? Where’s 🇺🇲 antifa alliance?
Demolished, by your own administration.
All you had to say you’re preparing my coffin.
So you’re purposely confusing Guantanamo for barewired fences? Which of these deathcamps I linked had fortifications again? Remind me “bro bud”