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    Biden went left. This is just objectively true. He literally just adopted the progressive policy positions his opponents had in exchange for them becoming surrogates.

    Harris went right. And she lost.

    Now Biden didn’t govern to the left. And that also clearly hurt him/ Kamala in 2024. But he objectively campaigned to court progressives.

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      Please tell me how Biden went left? He clicked resume on the shit from Obamas presidency.

      Biden went left of Trump, that’s all. Which Harris was left of as well.

      Is there any actual examples of Harris going right of Biden?

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        Biden went left of Trump, that’s all.

        Biden went left of Clinton’s 2020 positions. It was all a lie.

        Is there any actual examples of Harris going right of Biden?

        Well, she said she wouldn’t change anything from how he did things. Then announced she would appoint a republican to her cabinet, which was further to the right than biden.

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        He ran on forgiving student loans, creating a public option, and codifying roe v wade

        Once he was in office he promptly forgot about all of them.

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          He attempted all of those things. The student loans were blocked by Republicans and courts on 3 separate occasions, so he only managed to forgive $183Bn of student loans.

          The other two things were fillibustered by Republicans in the senate which at its highest DNC was a 51:49 w/ DNC Speakerwith 4 IND and before that a 49:51 w/ GOP speaker.

          The only way to obtain real progress is to remove Republicans down to less than 40 like we breifly achieved 16 years ago for 2 months in order to pass medicaid expansion, would have passed the public option if not for IND Leiberman.

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            He attempted all of those things.

            He pretended to.

            The other two things were fillibustered by Republicans in the senate which at its highest was a 51:49

            It would take 50 to end the filibuster forever. Democrats preferred to keep it around so you would have an excuse. After all, they didn’t need to end the filibuster to accomplish their only policy goal of leveling Gaza.

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              It’s one thing to ignore 183 Billion USD, it’s another to intentionally exclude it from the quote.

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                  Yes clearly me talking specifically about the core topic of this discussion is comparable to the Fascist party’s spokeswoman, which was empowered by protest voters and splintered left, shouting about the DOW in a hearing about childrape.

                  Obviously you never questioned that Biden forgave that debt and you definitely didn’t just lie about him not forgiving the $183Bn of debt that he did.

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                    Obviously you never questioned that Biden forgave that debt and you definitely didn’t just lie about him not forgiving the $183Bn of debt that he did.

                    I didn’t address the point at all, MS. BONDI, because it was irrelevant to my broader point. You chose to ignore that, MS. BONDI, because it wasn’t the one thing that made your president look good, Just like Bondi lying about the dow.

                    Biden “forgave” loans and said it was because of covid, then declared covid over so the courts would rule that he couldn’t. Oopsie. Totally not on purpose.

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        Her policy stances were left of Biden but the average person doesn’t know jack shit about policy and instead only know she had the Chenneys on stage with her and George W’s endorsement.

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          No, they weren’t, but the average banjo doesn’t know this.

          And to be clear, were talking about the manner in which a candidate campaigns.

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            Her unrealized gains tax on over a million alone had the potential to save this country, since billionaires and multimillionaires generally gain untaxed income by leveraging their stocks with longterm collateral loans.

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              The copium is real. I suppose some banjos are more average than others.

              You can live in a delusional reality of your own creation, but you lost this one in October of 24. Harris was shit, she ran to the right, it cost us the election and and handed the country to fascism.

              It’s what we said would happen before it happened. Its what we said was happening while it was happening. And, begrudgingly, we’ve been able to drag the majority perspective to understand the consequences of not pressuring Harris to shift left, of not shamelessly putting yourself behind candidates before they come to get your vote

              The arguments I’ve been making have won. The Karen’s of the world get it now. The CNN voters get it now. They under stand how they were wrong for how they approached this in 24.

              And I’ll drag you too, just like I have all the others. It’s been quite the journey, and I don’t mind you as comrade.

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                “Us”? I’ve never seen you on the side that opposes the GOP. You do nothing but shit on Democrats full time. I wouldn’t be surprised if you kept an AI poster of Trump up on your wall.

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                  Bro, you’ve literally lost it you’ve really broken yourself completely you think I support Trump or the Republicans. You getting bans and blocks everywhere I look. Your projections are litterally delusional. You’ve broken down in the past year.

                  And I understand it. It sucks the Democrats have thrown us to the wolves over and over again. It was important to make note of it while it was happening. It’s all there now, in the record. But your petty misgivings don’t a coherent politics make.

                  You can try and find something to object to I my comment history. It’s all there. I’ll even give you code to pull it all and parse it. I review it regularly, especially the stuff from times where things really matter.

                  It’s shocking how right we were, whatever the cohort is that I’m a part of. We basically nailed it, square and solidly on the head.

                  You should take a break and get some perspective. It’s clear that this year something is breaking for many of us. But you projecting villains onto the wall isn’t helping anyone.

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                    Bro, you’ve literally lost it you’ve really broken yourself completely you think I support Trump or the Republicans.

                    He says that about everyone to his left.

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                    “Rate my post history bro you’ll see the light bro trust me bro I’m actually an ally bro I actually don’t want the Fascists to keep winning bro thats why we have to abandon their only reliable opposition bro trust me”

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                  I’ve never seen you on the side that opposes the GOP.

                  Says the guy who simps for the wing of the party that capitulates to the GOP.