• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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    14 hours ago

    And speculation. Venture capitalists think they can create money by investing betting money that they predict they’ll have in the future. It’s how this circular ponzi scheme between Nvidia and OpenAI is holding itself up for now.

    Those huge numbers that they count in their net worth don’t really exist. It’s money that’s been pledged by a different company based on money they pledged to that company in the first place. It’s speculation all the way down.

    They’re hoping for a pay-off, but it’s a bubble of sunken costs kicking the can down the road for as long as they can before it bursts.

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      14 hours ago

      I do think QE and artificially low interest rates do lead to riskier stocks and commodity like Bitcoin doing better, where growth greatly outpaces value stocks.

      Which I think this is a continuation of the Covid stimulus, and its up to economic gravity as to whether there is a debt bubble that will pop leading to a dramatic fall in money supply. I’m pretty sure we’re roughly saying the same thing.

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        14 hours ago

        Yeah, I wasn’t disagreeing with you. Just adding some detail.

        But yeah, if you look at a graph of corporate profits and net worth, it literally exploded during covid and hardly ever slowed down since then. They got a taste for a greater flow of society’s lifeblood, and now they can’t live without it. Returning to pre-covid rates of “growth” would be labeled as “stagnation” and “failure.”

        Meanwhile, consumers were/are facing runaway inflation and a ballooning cost of living, workers being laid off by cost-cutting companies, and yet these corporate executives still have the nerve to say “well we need to pinch pennies to stay afloat, we need tax-cuts and simultaneously we also need taxpayer-funded government stimulus/bailouts/subsidies. Inflation isn’t our fault, it’s just a normal part of a working economy, we’re totally not just artificially raising our prices because we can get away with it (don’t talk about deflation though, that’s a dirty word, that would mean we’re in a *gasp* recession). And no, we can’t lower our prices or pay our employees more; that would eat into our profit margins and we have a fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders.”

        Their profit margins:

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            11 hours ago

            I wasn’t saying it is normal. I was saying corpos gaslight us by telling us it’s normal.

            According to the classical economic theories they cite (which are honestly pseudoscience), prices are expected to rise and fall in cycles of inflation and deflation, keeping the system more or less stable over time. But they only cite the part that says “inflation is normal” and not the part where it says “and it alternates with periods of deflation.”

            So they push their prices higher and higher because “infinite growth,” but any time there’s even a suggestion that prices might come back down, they panic and scream about a recession and they make the government intervene, because deflation would make their stock prices fall and they’d rather just keep screwing everybody over.

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              It does seem a bit absurd we ever called ourselves Keynesians. Its like we are constantly reliving Irving Fishers debt-deflation theory, and we keep allowing new asset bubbles to form. Though I think governments are equally complicit, because obviously rapid debasement allows a lot of unfunded spending, which are what voters are always pining for.