Screenshot of this question was making the rounds last week. But this article covers testing against all the well-known models out there.

Also includes outtakes on the ‘reasoning’ models.

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    Is cruise control useless because it doesn’t drive you to the grocery store? No. It’s not supposed to. It’s designed to maintain a steady speed - not to steer.

    Large Language Models, as the name suggests, are designed to generate natural-sounding language - not to reason. They’re not useless - we’re just using them off-label and then complaining when they fail at something they were never built to do.

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      Language without meaning is garbage. Like, literal garbage, useful for nothing. Language is a tool used to express ideas, if there are no ideas being expressed then it’s just a combination of letters.

      Which is exactly why LLMs are useless.

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        Which is exactly why LLMs are useless.

        800 million weekly ChatGPT users disagree with that.

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            Something being useful doesn’t imply it’s good or beneficial. Those terms are not synonymous. Usefulness describes whether a thing achieves a particular goal or serves a specific purpose effectively.

            A torture device is useful for extracting information. A landmine is useful for denying an area to enemy troops.

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          Those users are being harmed by it, not benefited. That isn’t useful, it’s a social disease.

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      But natural language in service of what? If they can’t produce answers that are correct, what’s the point of using them? I can get wrong answers anywhere.

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        I’m not here defending the practical value of these models. I’m just explaining what they are and what they’re not.

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        As OP said, LLMs are really good at generating text that is fluid and looks natural to us. So if you want that kind of output, LLMs are the way to go.
        Not all LLM prompts ask factual questions and not all of the generated answers need to be correct.
        Are poems, songs, stories or movie scripts ‘correct’?

        I’m totally against shoving LLMs everywhere, but they do have their uses. They are really good at this one thing.

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          Are poems, songs, stories or movie scripts ‘correct’?

          It’s a valid point that they can produce natural language. The Turing Test has been a thing for awhile after all. But while the language sounds natural, can they create anything meaningful? Are the poems or stories they make worth anything? It’s not like humans don’t create shitty art, so I guess generating random soulless crap is similar to that.

          The value of language produced by something that can’t understand the reason for language is an interesting question I suppose.