Ok, and? Why is everyone up my ass because I’m happy I don’t support these elites? Sure the rest of the sheep are grazing in the pasture. How is that my problem? It’s not like I don’t talk to those in my circle. I can lead a sheep to water but I can’t make them drink.
The control of media and of communication by the wealthy is mainly a threat to society.
It’s not like eating junk food where you’re only harming yourself.
We’re all threatened by people being ignorant and propagandized.
Now, what you can do, there are many things. Talk to your neighbors, involve yourself in your community, get people to come on the Fediverse, demonstrate, etc.
I do all of that already. If my friends and family take my advice it is their choice. I cannot nor would I want to force them into it. You can’t save people from themselves, especially if they’re unwilling. You can only save yourself.
You should break yourself from any tech stack that isn’t open source and either decentralized or federated if it’s an online service, regardless of country of origin.
It’s hard to get away from the hardware companies through. I’m all AMD because they’re a little less evil, but they’re in the same AI bubble and also currently doing little in terms of innovation since they already have the performance advantage
No actually we all seem to loath that. Like anyone who has to use WhatsApp (like me) finds it annoying.
You can tag it in a duscussion, for example, but other than that the productivity use is limited
They’re trying to compete with telegram and X on some level, but it was always just meant to be a messaging app.
Telegram works fine but it’s full of questionable users and channels.
The dumb thing is that Meta owns Instagram and WhatsApp, so if every one of their apps have these features what’s the point of downloading more than one of them?
EDIT: I misread telegram as Instagram lmao, but either way there’s no point in using any of them
Good job lemmings, pat on the back for separating yourself from all this bullshit. Unfortunately, the thousands of us here don’t have super mega voting power…
I don’t think that’s the criticism, rather we fixing the problem at the wrong end of things. We can’t fix society by stressing personal responsibility, we need a different tactic.
No it’s not, lol. If people stop using these platforms they will fail. Sounds to me like you’re just justifying your continued support of these services and platforms. Defeatist loser mentality.
Thank you for asking so nicely and with such curtesy and humility after graciously answer my questions.
I actively encourage and warn others to not use these platforms. I also pirate all their shit and share it with those around me who struggle to shake their addiction to the content.
Lol, short of going out and killing these bastards there isn’t much else I can do other than to stop supporting these services. I have to hope if enough folks like me stop using these services they will fail. There is a point where it only takes one straw to break the camels back.
That’s basing your imagination that we’re a meritocracy. There’s meaning behind the saying “failing upwards”. I don’t know how to counteract it either, but their success comes from failure. Let alone the Island stuff.
What are you even talking about? I didn’t say shit about meritocracy or failing upwards. I’m talking about not supporting those services and platforms that support evil.
Right, and I’m trying to explain to you that it’s not what they base their success on. I know you mean well, but we’re not a meritocracy and they do fail upwards.
The only one mentioned here that i have is WhatsApp, but i barely use it
Although i do still use some other nonfree Amerikkkan services. Discord is the main one, i’m quite active on there and it’s not that easy to replace because of its structure with communities (also there aren’t good alternatives yet, quite hopeful for Fluxer tho). I also use an iPhone and Apple Messages, and i have a Macbook (which I don’t use much at the moment) but I’m gonna install Linux on it. I don’t make use of iCloud tho, i use Proton Drive and selfhosted email.
I’m not trying to rib you here, but I hate that excuse that it’s too hard to drop these products. We’ve lived thousands of years without them, but lack the will now? WTF kinda weak ass shit is that?
I’m saying that because of Discord’s structure it’s hard to move Discord communities to other platforms because you need to move a community of many people rather than just an account on which you post and view posts like when moving from Twitter to Mastodon or Reddit to Lemmy
It’s not hard at all. You either move or you don’t. It’s binary. If you can’t be bothered to do a little bit of legwork then just stay where you are and give the corps what they want. If that fragments your community so be it, build another one. All I hear are excuses as to why folks can’t stand by their morals because it’s inconvenient. IMO it’s pathetic, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Thank fuck I literally use none of those services.
ur still affected by how these influence the news cycle and general societal conversation
Yeah that’s the problem. I don’t use them, but a bunch of other people do. How do we get them to stop?
Ok, and? Why is everyone up my ass because I’m happy I don’t support these elites? Sure the rest of the sheep are grazing in the pasture. How is that my problem? It’s not like I don’t talk to those in my circle. I can lead a sheep to water but I can’t make them drink.
But everyone else does and they will be voting in the next election dragging you down with them.
I can’t control other people, only myself. If they want to sleepwalk into lies and fake propaganda there is nothing I can do.
Your point?
The control of media and of communication by the wealthy is mainly a threat to society.
It’s not like eating junk food where you’re only harming yourself.
We’re all threatened by people being ignorant and propagandized.
Now, what you can do, there are many things. Talk to your neighbors, involve yourself in your community, get people to come on the Fediverse, demonstrate, etc.
I do all of that already. If my friends and family take my advice it is their choice. I cannot nor would I want to force them into it. You can’t save people from themselves, especially if they’re unwilling. You can only save yourself.
I commend you for doing your part.
I wish WhatsApp wasn’t the main form of communication in my area of the world.
That’s the only one I’m on and it’s because I could not convince anyone around me to just use texts or download signal
Yes you should break yourself from all of the US and Israeli tech stack. They cannot be trusted.
You should break yourself from any tech stack that isn’t open source and either decentralized or federated if it’s an online service, regardless of country of origin.
It’s hard to get away from the hardware companies through. I’m all AMD because they’re a little less evil, but they’re in the same AI bubble and also currently doing little in terms of innovation since they already have the performance advantage
I don’t read news in WhatsApp, tho
Neither do I, I only use it for sending and recieving messages. I don’t think anyone uses the AI bullshit that was added to it.
No actually we all seem to loath that. Like anyone who has to use WhatsApp (like me) finds it annoying. You can tag it in a duscussion, for example, but other than that the productivity use is limited
It was so much better when the search bar was just for contacts or chat messages instead of all the genuinely useless terms
They’re trying to compete with telegram and X on some level, but it was always just meant to be a messaging app. Telegram works fine but it’s full of questionable users and channels.
The dumb thing is that Meta owns Instagram and WhatsApp, so if every one of their apps have these features what’s the point of downloading more than one of them?
EDIT: I misread telegram as Instagram lmao, but either way there’s no point in using any of them
I don’t either. Too bad 99.9% of the rest of the people do.
This is the problem.
Good job lemmings, pat on the back for separating yourself from all this bullshit. Unfortunately, the thousands of us here don’t have super mega voting power…
Really is a shame
Lol. Lmao even. You think shaping your habits will protect you. You can’t personal responsibility your way out of this.
If you can’t solve the problem 100%, why even bother.
I don’t think that’s the criticism, rather we fixing the problem at the wrong end of things. We can’t fix society by stressing personal responsibility, we need a different tactic.
If the tactic doesn’t benefit the person doing it at all, then they won’t do it.
Sure, and that’s why I don’t bother telling people their voting tactics are wrong.
It has little to do with protection and more to do with keeping a clean conscience. I won’t support evil.
The issue here isn’t your about your conscious. The majority of people do use these and those people are being influenced.
Your comment has a sort of fuck you I got mine vibe to it.
No it’s not, lol. If people stop using these platforms they will fail. Sounds to me like you’re just justifying your continued support of these services and platforms. Defeatist loser mentality.
You just assumed I use those platforms which makes you the fool here.
You not supporting evil doesn’t stop evil. To try for another approach here since you seem rather dense, evil prevails when good men do nothing.
I’m sure you’ll just attack that too becuase what’s important here to you is your feelings. Doing something was never going to be an option for you
And what are you doing Mr. Holier-than-thou?
Thank you for asking so nicely and with such curtesy and humility after graciously answer my questions.
I actively encourage and warn others to not use these platforms. I also pirate all their shit and share it with those around me who struggle to shake their addiction to the content.
Cool, so the same shit I’m doing. No need to be smug about it.
I mean, congrats? Kind of irrelevant to the discussion here, then.
“Oligarchy becomes smaller and more powerful” - article
“Good thing they don’t get my money via direct means” - you
Lol, short of going out and killing these bastards there isn’t much else I can do other than to stop supporting these services. I have to hope if enough folks like me stop using these services they will fail. There is a point where it only takes one straw to break the camels back.
That’s basing your imagination that we’re a meritocracy. There’s meaning behind the saying “failing upwards”. I don’t know how to counteract it either, but their success comes from failure. Let alone the Island stuff.
What are you even talking about? I didn’t say shit about meritocracy or failing upwards. I’m talking about not supporting those services and platforms that support evil.
Right, and I’m trying to explain to you that it’s not what they base their success on. I know you mean well, but we’re not a meritocracy and they do fail upwards.
No they’re capitalists. They base their success off of money. No users or even less users, means less money.
The only one mentioned here that i have is WhatsApp, but i barely use it
Although i do still use some other nonfree Amerikkkan services. Discord is the main one, i’m quite active on there and it’s not that easy to replace because of its structure with communities (also there aren’t good alternatives yet, quite hopeful for Fluxer tho). I also use an iPhone and Apple Messages, and i have a Macbook (which I don’t use much at the moment) but I’m gonna install Linux on it. I don’t make use of iCloud tho, i use Proton Drive and selfhosted email.
I’m not trying to rib you here, but I hate that excuse that it’s too hard to drop these products. We’ve lived thousands of years without them, but lack the will now? WTF kinda weak ass shit is that?
I am not saying that it’s hard to drop
I’m saying that because of Discord’s structure it’s hard to move Discord communities to other platforms because you need to move a community of many people rather than just an account on which you post and view posts like when moving from Twitter to Mastodon or Reddit to Lemmy
It’s not hard at all. You either move or you don’t. It’s binary. If you can’t be bothered to do a little bit of legwork then just stay where you are and give the corps what they want. If that fragments your community so be it, build another one. All I hear are excuses as to why folks can’t stand by their morals because it’s inconvenient. IMO it’s pathetic, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.