Following the events in Iran, Alexandre Boulerice, NDP Foreign Affairs Critic, issued the following statement:
"The NDP strongly condemns the American and Israeli bombings of Iran. This is a dangerous escalation that risks dragging the entire region into a major conflict. The oppressive and bloody regime of the Ayatollahs is reprehensible, but its nuclear program must be managed through the United Nations and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). In fact, its Director General, Mr. Grossi, recently indicated that he was working with the Iranian administration to resume inspections and reiterated that there could be no solution other than a diplomatic one.
The NDP deplores the Carney government’s decision to blindly support this dangerous venture by Israel and Donald Trump’s administration. We want Canada to be a voice for diplomacy, peace, and international law."
I am not conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism. My point is that Trump and his cabinet (and the Dem leadership) are Zionists. Earlier you implied that Trump is having his “strings pulled”. All I am saying is, that’s not the power dynamic here.
Edit: sorry — the strings pulled comment was someone else. But it was the context for my reply
You heard the word Israel you immediately thought about jews you are indeed conflating both. I never applied that Trump is having his “strings pulled”. I am one of the very few online who reject the idea that Trump is going to war just for Israel alone and that israel is blackmailing him to murder people
See my edit to the last post - and tbh I think we actually agree on all this.
I am more bothered at how you hear Israel you automatically think of Jews as if all jews support Israel policies and Zionism
Please at least listen and give me the benefit of the doubt here.
The thing I objected to is the “trump having his strings pulled” part which plays into to well-worn antisemitic tropes of a cabal of Jews running the world like puppeteers.
I’ll admit that there is some ambiguity in how to read that initial comment, however, and I can totally understand where you’re coming from with your reading of what they said initially.
The Majority Report did a good short segment recently about this. I was just about to see if I could find it, and I’ll post it if I do.
Edit: here’s the clip. The point I am trying to make is explained at around the 5-6 minute span. (For the record, so there’s no confusion, I am posting this edit after a few more comments back and forth following this one) https://youtu.be/XhSuQpFPhwo
Again those people believe that trump having his strings pulled by **Israel **not jews. You hear Israel you automatically think jews . You are not giving anybody who believe that the benefit of the doubt that they really mean Israel not jews. People who believe the theory believe it not being they think jews control the USA but rather because American Zionists are buying politicians with Aipac and because the Epstein files show strong relation between Epstein and Israeli and Zionist leaders. They also don’t understand that american elites profits from wars and how the middle east was a very important region for empires for centuries
The Middle East was the only viable path for the Silk Road. The Roman Empire and the Parthian/Sassanid Empires fought for centuries over the Levant and Mesopotamia specifically to control the customs duties of these trade routes.
The Siege of Constantinople (1453) : this siege forced Europeans power to find a way around the middle east
The middle east was called the lifeline of the British empire and Britain wanted to prevent the Russian Empire from moving south into the Middle East, which would have allowed Russia to cut off Britain’s access to India
The USA would like to control the region and the straight of Hormuz that is exactly why he attacked Iran. We have too much example of how foreign intervention do not help the population and instead create failed states and civil wars
Creating failed states and civil wars is the point. They’d rather Iran be a war-torn wasteland than be a thorn in their side.
I agree. Yet the other fool keep talking about how the usa and israel will save Iranians
OK so you aren’t willing to give me the same benefit of the doubt that I tried to extend to you.
I doubt that you’ll believe me when I say (truthfully) that I am an anti-Zionist Jew, but you seem to be making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations about what I believe, even when I am telling you, I think quite clearly but perhaps not(?), the narrow point I am making about the words used in someone else’s post.
I am sorry but it is you who started with the idea that Israel controlling the USA is just an antisemitism propaganda talking point. I don’t think you can blame me when I keep hearing false accusation of antisemitism that in real life can cost someone job . You don’t know the financial situation of those people
I posted the clip from the Majority Report above. I hope you’ll watch it, because it shows how we do in fact broadly agree, but makes the distinction about the construction of “Israel controls the US” vs the other way around, which, again, is the point I was making this entire time.
I’ll again concede that there is definitely ambiguity in the comment that we’re discussing.
And I hear what you’re saying about consequences of unfounded accusations - but luckily, we’re on a pseudonymous forum where it’s (hopefully!) possible to discuss how various words and phrases can carry unintended meaning, and discuss all this (hopefully!) without any of those dire consequences.
This topic is, to say the least, incredibly fraught. And I totally see why you understood my initial comment the way you did. I could have done much better with my phrasing, which is obviously ironic given the point I was trying to make.
But I do believe we’re on the same side here. ✌️