• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    20 hours ago

    The fact that you’ve gotten away with it is not proof that it’s unnecessary. The fact that it was legally mandated is good evidence that it is. These systems save lives, no question about it.

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      9 hours ago

      What a shockingly wrong take. TPMS is a convenience, not a safety measure, have properly inflated tires is. And, anyone who properly maintains their car, doesn’t need it

      And, it’s not legally mandated everywhere, even if it is for you.

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        8 hours ago

        What an incredibly bad take. Indeed, having properly inflated tires is a safety issue. How do you know if they’re properly inflated? Are you checking them every 3 minutes while driving? Because TPMS is…

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          7 hours ago

          Because I was bored

          GIDAS data

          https://www.ircobi.org/wordpress/downloads/irc0111/2009/Session2/2_3.pdf

          It concludes that even if you increased grip, which includes tire pressure variance, by 15%, it would only represent a reduction of 2% of road related fatalities, which is actually within the margin of error.

          While 2% sounds like a lot, GIDAS also shows that tire failures account for less than 1% of road accidents causing death.

          So you’re spending $300 to $500 on a new car for a TPMS which reduces the probability of accidental death by 0.02%.

          And fun fact, most tire related accidents are actually from tread depth, not low pressure, and TPMS will do fuck all to tell you your tread depth is low.

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            5 hours ago

            It concludes that even if you increased grip

            It’s nothing to do with grip. In fact, a lower tire pressure will actually increase grip.

            tire failures account for less than 1% of road accidents causing death.

            Oh well if no one died it must not be a safety issue?

            So you’re spending $300 to $500 on a new car for a TPMS

            Uhhh nope, it comes with the car…

            And fun fact, most tire related accidents are actually from tread depth, not low pressure

            So we’re just going to ignore it as a safety issue because it’s not a main cause of collisions?

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          7 hours ago

          Because I am not a complete fucking idiot.

          If you truly believe that nonsense you are spewing, your probably shouldn’t be driving. You are unaware of the operational aspects of your vehicle and are a danger to the people around you.

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            5 hours ago

            Because I am not a complete fucking idiot.

            Mmmmmm

            You are unaware of the operational aspects of your vehicle and are a danger to the people around you.

            WTF is a “operational aspect”?

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      20 hours ago

      lots of things are legally mandated without any good evidence.

      Lots of things legally mandated in the past are now unconscionable or illegal now.

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        15 hours ago

        LOL who said anything about ethics? This is an unbelievably stupid strawman.

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          13 hours ago

          indeed, you said this:

          The fact that it was legally mandated is good evidence that it is.

          but their point was laws are not always made with good intentions and safety in mind. that’s not to say TPMS is required for secret surveillance, but that there being a law for it does not immediately mean there’s good purpose for that law.

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              12 hours ago

              yes it has, when a law not only just does not have good purpose, but even malicious, but even when the added safety is not outweighed by the bad things it does

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              13 hours ago

              Do you believe law and ethics are separable? Does your “these systems save lives” not speak to the very reasoning employed to codify an ethical position into the law of the land?

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                8 hours ago

                Why are we still talking about ethics? I’m not going to entertain this strawman any further.