Because they’re not going to college to learn, they’re going to get a degree. The prevailing mentality is “I’m paying for this so that I can go through the motions and graduate so that I’ll meet the minimum qualifications for an entry level position.”
It’s a result of the commodification of education: treating universities like a business rather than as centers of learning. Everything’s transactory.
Professors are afraid to fail students because the administration wants the best retention ratings, and cause bad reviews might mean they lose their jobs.
Oh, and because expecting college students to actually learn something is elitist, apparently…
Don’t get caught forming coherent thoughts in complete sentences with proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Someone might accuse you of being petite bourgeois and get your professor fired for playing favorites…
This doesn’t match with my experience at a state school at all, lol. I get whether I put a period before or after my citation picked apart. Is this how students at private schools get treated?
I don’t know, I went to a community college. I don’t know what grades other people got on their essays, but sometimes we did peer revisions and I saw the quality of other people’s writing. They called me racist and elitist if I made too many grammar corrections, so I can only imagine what they said about the professor when they get a bad grade because I stopped correcting their grammar during proofreading.
There’s also this thing that sometimes happens where the professor adjusts for privilege in grading. The effect is that I would get a B+ or an A- for having a couple typos, but someone who can barely spell or formulate a complete sentence might get the same grade as me or even better.
And if I get an A in the class or on a test I have to keep it a secret or all my classmates will hate me and claim it was because of white supremacy or some shit.
Weird, do you feel like sharing generally where this is? I’ve corrected grammar in my English writing classes plenty of times as part of peer review, even (gently) corrected another student on how they were using a racially insensitive term, despite the fact I’m white and they weren’t without it being an issue (they were an international student and we had been reading some stuff from the 1800s that used outdated terms).
For other classes I’ve had a mix of whether or not the professors care about grammar, but those that do have always been upfront about how to get in contact with free tutors on campus to check your work.
RMP is a crapshoot anyway on how useful it is; one terrible prof at my school is constantly leaving really obvious 5 star reviews for himself to override the hordes of people going DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS CLASS!!, while a fantastic professor I have has close to the same middling rating because she does a class that qualifies for fulfilling a gen ed requirement, and people who are uninterested in it just don’t like the class.
East coast, so maybe different culture from California. It was also a few years ago and the culture might have shifted a bit since then.
I was literally in a seminar where participation was encouraged and part of our grade, and my professor stopped calling on my because I raised my hand for nearly every question. Even though I would often wait for a few other students to speak before I raised my hand. And sometimes no one else would raise their hand at all. Prof was basically pulling teeth to get anyone else to respond, and my arm was getting tired from staying up so long, and this was a regular occurrence.
But he docked me participation points because one day I was getting really frustrated and fed up with being so blatantly disrespected, so I decided to leave instead of making a scene. My blood was literally boiling and there was no productive outcome that could have resulted from me staying that day.
The result was that I got docked participation points from a seminar because I raised my hand too much. If that’s ever happened to someone who isn’t a cishetero-presenting white male, I’ll eat my shoes.
Because they’re not going to college to learn, they’re going to get a degree. The prevailing mentality is “I’m paying for this so that I can go through the motions and graduate so that I’ll meet the minimum qualifications for an entry level position.”
It’s a result of the commodification of education: treating universities like a business rather than as centers of learning. Everything’s transactory.
Professors are afraid to fail students because the administration wants the best retention ratings, and cause bad reviews might mean they lose their jobs.
Oh, and because expecting college students to actually learn something is elitist, apparently…
Don’t get caught forming coherent thoughts in complete sentences with proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Someone might accuse you of being petite bourgeois and get your professor fired for playing favorites…
This doesn’t match with my experience at a state school at all, lol. I get whether I put a period before or after my citation picked apart. Is this how students at private schools get treated?
I don’t know, I went to a community college. I don’t know what grades other people got on their essays, but sometimes we did peer revisions and I saw the quality of other people’s writing. They called me racist and elitist if I made too many grammar corrections, so I can only imagine what they said about the professor when they get a bad grade because I stopped correcting their grammar during proofreading.
There’s also this thing that sometimes happens where the professor adjusts for privilege in grading. The effect is that I would get a B+ or an A- for having a couple typos, but someone who can barely spell or formulate a complete sentence might get the same grade as me or even better.
And if I get an A in the class or on a test I have to keep it a secret or all my classmates will hate me and claim it was because of white supremacy or some shit.
I’m going to a community college in California right now and that doesn’t match my experience at all. These were announced grading policies?
More like undercurrents in the student body that professors had to be aware to avoid being slandered on exit surveys and ratemyprofessor
Weird, do you feel like sharing generally where this is? I’ve corrected grammar in my English writing classes plenty of times as part of peer review, even (gently) corrected another student on how they were using a racially insensitive term, despite the fact I’m white and they weren’t without it being an issue (they were an international student and we had been reading some stuff from the 1800s that used outdated terms).
For other classes I’ve had a mix of whether or not the professors care about grammar, but those that do have always been upfront about how to get in contact with free tutors on campus to check your work.
RMP is a crapshoot anyway on how useful it is; one terrible prof at my school is constantly leaving really obvious 5 star reviews for himself to override the hordes of people going DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THIS CLASS!!, while a fantastic professor I have has close to the same middling rating because she does a class that qualifies for fulfilling a gen ed requirement, and people who are uninterested in it just don’t like the class.
East coast, so maybe different culture from California. It was also a few years ago and the culture might have shifted a bit since then.
I was literally in a seminar where participation was encouraged and part of our grade, and my professor stopped calling on my because I raised my hand for nearly every question. Even though I would often wait for a few other students to speak before I raised my hand. And sometimes no one else would raise their hand at all. Prof was basically pulling teeth to get anyone else to respond, and my arm was getting tired from staying up so long, and this was a regular occurrence.
But he docked me participation points because one day I was getting really frustrated and fed up with being so blatantly disrespected, so I decided to leave instead of making a scene. My blood was literally boiling and there was no productive outcome that could have resulted from me staying that day.
The result was that I got docked participation points from a seminar because I raised my hand too much. If that’s ever happened to someone who isn’t a cishetero-presenting white male, I’ll eat my shoes.