• davel@lemmy.ml
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      I don’t know how people can maintain their suspension of disbelief at this point.

      How do people still not see that, as horrendous as a child rape ring is, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. It’s just an entertaining diversion for these people, whose day job is running the imperial core.

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        I’m worried about the implications that the child sex ring was a honeypot that was supported by multiple intelligence agencies. My understanding is that Maxwell has ties to Mossad and the US government clearly had knowledge of this shit for decades, yet the few investigations went nowhere. Is it simply because the perpetrators were wealthy and influential? Or was it because the whole operation was viewed as an important intelligence asset? In addition to funding the bombing of schools and refugee camps, are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?

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          are my tax dollars also funding a child sex trafficking rings?

          If you’re in the mood for yet another mindfuck today, your federal taxes don’t actually pay for anything. Previously.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        I think it’s really hard for people to accept that everything they believed in is basically wrong. They don’t live in a democracy, they don’t have a voice, they can’t vote their way out of the hole they’re in. That’s a hard pill to swallow for the crowd that convinced itself that they just need to vote harder and everything will be alright.

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      For liberals, and right wing in general, it’s just another Red Team vs. Blue Team match with political flavor.

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      There is a world of room between “good” and “ran a child sex trafficking ring”. Clinton may be a POS for many reasons and he may have visited Epstine island and maybe even raped children (we don’t know at this point but anyone in the flight logs is sus). That is all absolutely terrible but it’s still very different than kidnapping 10’s or hundreds of children to rape and pimp. And the files seem to indicate that Trump was actively involved in this scheme for decades.

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        Both Clintons are in the Epstein files hundreds of times. They also both happen to be war criminals.

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          Yeah, the Clintons have done absolutely terrible things. I would never claim otherwise. I don’t remember the Clinton administration very well but I don’t doubt that he’s a war criminal.

          The meme claims that Bill was “keeping child sex slaves” and that isn’t supported by any evidence that I’ve seen.

          Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.

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            Everyone involved should get investigated and tried for any and all crimes.

            Indeed they should, but they won’t, because they’re above the law. They shouldn’t be above the law, but they objectively are. What you’re seeing isn’t some rare exception, it’s a peek behind the curtain of how the United States is actually run, and it’s nothing like how it’s supposed to work on paper.

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        maybe even raped children

        but

        I swear, it’s impossible to parody lesser-evilists because you’re all self-parodies at this point.

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          Fair. I do think scale is sometime important. A single murder is not a genocide. But I can see your POV.

          Regardless, Clinton is awful but IDK what he did on the island. If he did rape kids then I hope they throw his ass in jail.

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            I want a worse fate for him if so, however, I don’t want it to be a distraction from the existing Pedo in Chief and their ilk.

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          There’s no evidence he did anything inappropriate with kids.

          Trump, however, has been accused by multiple Epstein victims.

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            “There’s no evidence this longtime Epstein associate who flew multiple times on a plane called the Lolita Express did anything inappropriate with kids”

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              Well?

              You’re implying that there is.

              So where is it? You’re setting expectations extremely high for yourself.

              Gonna need that evidence.

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                You know things are going well for your nazi rapist of choice when you’re reduced to saying “Well can you prove that he was doing the things that everyone around him was also doing?”

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              Correct. Epstein had connections to his charities. Was for humanitarian work.

              You think Trump released the files with more evidence of him fucking kids than Clinton if there was any other option?

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                Yeah man the president of the united states totally needed the funding and connections of a known pedophile in order to do some vague, nondescript “social work”.

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                  He didn’t need to, but he was not a known pedophile, and the travel was tied publicly tied to Clinton foundation work like the 2002 Africa trip for HIV/AIDS.

                  Again, you think Trump hid evidence of Clinton’s wrongdoings but published damning things on himself?

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                    Trump is trying to drop the Epstein files entirely, if anyone involved is implicated then everyone involved is implicated, as it establishes the validity of guilt among those involved with Epstein, that’s why literally no one other than Maxwell has done any time for any of this fucked up nonsense, and they’re actively trying to undo any of her punishment with far more fervor than they’re putting into investigating anything else in the files. If he goes after Clinton then that would establish that there is reason to properly investigate and prosecute others in the files, and nobody is in the files more than Trump. He doesn’t want anyone to go down for any of it, because that would be painting a target on himself by way of legal precedence. It’s all just an act of self preservation by the system of pedophiles running the country from top to bottom, if one goes down then they could all go down.