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    19 hours ago

    Oh, cool. We are already starting the preparations for pushing all work and blame on the democratic party and then make the election about them only. That won’t drive people to the republican party or not to vote. It’s not like the country is facing a now absolutely uphill battle to remain a denocracy.

    Jesus fucking christ. If there ever was a moment to close ranks and act as a block is now. That plus active action if possible, but at the very least support the non-dictatorship party. Not like the other one is better in literally any single issue.

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        7 hours ago

        Has the republican party stopped the genocide? Or improved the situation at all? If not, you have to choose according to the rest of the policies. It sucks badly, but there is literally no other option.

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          I totally get it, you were just following orders. There was no alternative but to vote for a genocider in order not to have an even worse genocider, who finally got in power and let the genocide continue at the exact same pace as before until there was nothing to bomb anymore.

          Let’s be honest here, Americans are the ones suffering the most from trump’s presidency. The rest doesnt really matter, they can die for all I care.

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            5 hours ago

            So I am not from the US. So I don’t really suffer from their actions. Just indirectly, but not much. I am really fucking lucky.

            When you take that out of the way, almost everyone in the world would be better off if Trump weren’t president and the republicans were not in power. So I would really fucking like if they vote the least of two evils, because I am not interested in a 3rd world war to get me out of my misery before global warmng gets to us because they keep voting the stupid reality denying party.

            Literally. There are two parties, One is clearly worse. That’s all there is.

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      So when democrats are in power we need to close ranks to prevent the republican party from taking control, and when the democrats aren’t in power we need to close ranks to prevent the republican party from keeping control. Got it.

      Question: Do you see that you are repeating the exact failed lesson that is the basis for the article?

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        9 hours ago

        Look. As long as there are only two parties and one of them wants to turn the US into a dictatorship, there is not much more you can do. That’s not a failed lesson. There are many opportunities to act in between elections, but come election time there is none. You can die smug knowing that you were right once you cannot vote or you can live pissed because the less bad alternative still suck hard.

        Also, the democratic party has never had the control of congress and presidency for more than two years in a row. Not that I have much hope, but losing 4 elections in a row (two full presidencies) should at least have some impact on the republican party. And that’s without taking into account that women, POC, LGBTQ+, immigrants, … would have a much, much better life even if you maintain the status quo but with the democratic party.

        Again, it’s a shitty option, but there is literally no alternative. And focusing on democrats on the opposition and blaming them for shit instead of republicans in government who are actually doing the things is playing into the hands of the republicans, which by the way could remove Trump today from the presidency if they wished, so it’s the whole party’s fault, not Trump’s.

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          7 hours ago

          There will only be two parties as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science

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            7 hours ago

            There are two parties because the electoral system in the US creates an advantage to having two and only two parties. If they change the system, parties will appear. If they don’t, any new party will at best supplant one of the current ones, but it will fall back to two parties anyway.

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              They will never change the system. It’s as likely as a dictatorship suddenly withering away. It’s not unheard of, but it can take decades. And them guys have nuclear weapons, so basically we’re all fucked until we dismantle america as a country, somehow.

              Honestly, our best bet would be to train separatist militias in mexican and canadians.

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                Not going to deny that. But before they get dismantled, they are wont to blow something up. As a dying breath sort of thing. And that worries me,. so I’d rather the death were peaceful, or at least as much as possible.

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          See, this is why you’re full of it though. You undercut yourself:

          There are many opportunities to act in between elections, but come election time there is none.

          Guess which one applies now. I’ll give you 3 guesses.

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            8 hours ago

            No. What is happening now is blanket criticism of the party, which is does not apply at all however you want to read it. You want to critisize specific politicians for specific actions, go ahead, want to organize primaries to get them out, perfect, want to start movements and pressure groups to change their policies, fantastic. But just saying democrats bad is 100% counterproductive, which has been my point from the start. Again, this is not the democrats are good, but they are significantly less bad than republicans and all actions should go through getting republicans out of there.

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              7 hours ago

              My friend in beyruth died while biden was the pres.

              But ofc americans are the real victims, are they not?

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                7 hours ago

                No, in fact they are the agressors. And while pro-Israely politics are the same across both parties, the rest of the policies aren’t that close. As I said, they are not good, just much better than the alternative.

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              So first it’s the wrong time, and when you’re called on it then it’s too generic an action, despite the article citing specific actions by specific senators and representatives. Got it. I know this trick: Next it’ll be the wrong specific criticism, before everyone is racist for criticizing Cory Booker. Been down this book; can you try something new for me for once?

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                8 hours ago

                I see. You are happy that Trump won. Also that the democrats lost the senate with Obama and Trump got to appoint 3 Supreme Court justices. You could have started there.

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                    7 hours ago

                    There are only two parties, either you prefer one to win, or you prefer the other or you don’t care about which. There are no more voting options and the booth and it’s preparations are times to be pragmatic.