Lmao I am absolutely not an islamophobe. My girlfriend and her entire family are Palestinian and most are still Muslim. She laughed at this meme harder than I did.
Nobody is debating it. It’s literally in the scriptures. The only people who deny it are dishonest muslims who don’t want to admit their prophet is a pedophile and ignorant westerners who defend something horrific even though they know nothing about it because they have a white savior complex
Eh, Mary was a teenager when God knocked her up. Seems religion and power are just convenient excuses for old dudes to fuck kids. Always have been. Fuck religion and the morons who follow it.
dudes i am so glad i worship a giant space crab. the only fucking going on is people screaming “FUCK” right before it eats them when it comes to devour the planet.
they has laser eyes, acid breath, a thick chitinous carapace, a saddle for believers to ride them, can regrow limbs because crab, five simultaneous genders (because crabs have convergently evolved five times. pagan god of convergent evolution what i made up) and invites us all to partake us their delicious delicious flesh (which as i stated earlier, regrows). lactates butter from one claw and garlic butter from the other.
how to worship: go to the ocean or nearest body of water or body of water in your soul, find a crab shack, get a crab sammich, and eat the crab sammich. Notice how much better that tastes than Jeezits? Worship through joy in food. crab if you can get it. If you are allergic it is Crab God’s…? Idk i haven’t figured that part out yet. Artificial crab is Crab God’s blessing to the unwashed masses. Our god tastes better than your god praise be.
we do the wheel of the year and have a couple other extra holidays like pie day (my favorite uncle died then so it’s special, not because of pies. we actually eat ice cream), and you can eat eggs but no other bird products because i don’t like poultry and it’s my religion i made it up. just had easter (ostarra) last week, we gathered flowers to put in all the rooms in the house and made some holy water and had a tea party. (also my band played at the christian church i play at but like, that’s work). main tenets are based off of Bill and Tedism (all of the cults i’ve started are based off of Be Excellent to Each Other, Party On, Dudes. Only real sin is intentionally being an asshole. Because I struggle with that.).
I have yet to write scripture but this is the first cult (i think this is number 8? there’s this cult around a whale statue in Utah that really got away from me) i’ve started that felt real to me. it’s so absurd i love it. but there are four of us Crabgodians now! (My wife is also Crabgodian. Well okay she’s Methodist and she humors me)
That’s not true, there is some debate as to whether the marriage was indeed consumated when she was 9, or right after they were married, which would have made her 6.
Not really. Saying there is ‘no debate’ isn’t actually factually accurate. While some traditional sources mention that age, there is a massive amount of historical and academic scholarship that suggests otherwise. The claim of age 9 have been used by bad faith actors on all sides. (Some fanatics to justify child marriage, and other fanatics who think their religion/group of people are superior to muslims in particular).
Here is a decent article explaining this if u wanna engage with it in good faith. There have been various debates on it and hadith is not considered accurate always, unlike the quran. The claim she was that young may have originated from sectarian divides among early muslims for whom virginity meant being “pure”.
U dont really need to particularly agree with the claim that she was not 9yo as a total fact. The Bukhari hadiths saying she is 9 is very well accepted by a vast majority of rhe fundamentalist muslim word, but not everyone. Saying there is “no debate” at all is a factually wrong statement as well. And reduces all of a particular group of people as brainwashed fanatics who support the horror of child marriage.
People can choose not to accept anything, that doesn’t mean that it is debatable.
It’s factually wrong, according to the ONLY SOURCE who would know. Do you understand? Nobody else would know better than her. There is no “opposing view” that was there to dispute it. All were in agreement she was a child, and she knows her own age better than anybody.
So, there’s no debate.
People can choose to accept it, or not. There is still no debate, because how the fuck would they know? It’s babble.
Yeah exactly. Thats the point. There is no record of Aisha herself saying her age was 9 at marriage. Nor is there any hadith from medina (where the marriage took place) that mentions aisha age. Only more than a generation later, in Iraq, someone who has poor memory, claimed that he has “heard” from someone else that Aisha said she is 9. So there is no reason to believe him over anyone else. Its a babble. No one knows Aishas age for sure. Historians and timeline analysis say she was 19-20. Pedophiles and Islamophobes say she was 9. People can choose to accept whatever they want. There is no good debate.
Why wud u accept something as true tho if there is no opposing view. I can makeup anything and say since there is no else opposing view point, my claim is the truth. I say that outside of the observable universe its all turtles. That does not make it true just because there is no other evidence of anything else. Its a debate about facts not what ifs.
This is a classic appeal to ignorance fallacy.
Because there is no opposing view from all of the evidence available.
You can choose to accept it, or say that they are liars and/or crazy. So why IMAGINE she was older? All from the time that we know of are in agreement (I know she’s referred to at least once in another Hadith, playing with dolls).
Yes, you can pretend that you have some special insight, but you don’t. “You” describing anyone who might disagree.
For example, I have a memory of when I was a child. I know what happened, and nobody else does, or everybody else who did know is dead/absent. You will call me a liar?
Why pretend that I’m lying? You have no clue. There is no evidence of anything else happening.
That’s why it’s not a debate.
If you had evidence that she was whatever age, and other people who were there disagree? Well, then you can debate based on the merits and testimony of the witnesses. But as it is, she said she was young, others who were there said she was playing with dolls. Nobody from the time is saying “No, I was there, she was in her 30s”. Her being a young child is not unusual in any way at that time.
Does this mean all testimony is fact? No. But without evidence to the contrary, any other opinion is fantasy and conjecture.
“The Muslim scholar Yasmin Amin makes an interesting point, however, noting that the report in question is not technically a hadith at all, since it is ultimately attributed to Aisha and not Muhammad. She makes the argument that traditionalist Muslims can and should differentiate between prophetic and non-prophetic reports found in Sahih Bukhari.”
Obviously the article has a lot more content than this but I found this funny. "Don’t listen to the kid he is accused of raping as a child, listen to the prophet instead. And just ignore that.
Also this one
“The attribution of this young age to Aisha should thus be understood as reflecting not chronological or historical accuracy but, rather, a symbolic concern for her virginity, chastity and purity.”
That paragraph is supposes to highlight the difference between hadith from the prophet vs haditths that are just oral collections from diff ppl. The author is saying here that the hadith does not carry the same weight as other bukhari hadiths because its not attributed to the prophet and is merely an oral claim by hisham(someone who has memory issues) that “someone said that Aisha said she was 9”
You are quoting the ending parts of the article which have nothing to do with the original argument it presents and simply is there to cleanup and establish the new status quo, and these tiny “things” whatever you call them are meaningless in the context of the greater discussion.
The symbolic part is discussed all through the article (for eg age 40 as a symbol for being wise, and for extra info age 70 in islamic world is considered the timeline for eternity(sorry if I cant explain it well, english aint my first language, but for eg u say to smone like “bro why r u so weak, r u already 70yo?”)
You not liking it does not change the fact that ages were used a lot more for symbolism back then than the actual time since the person has been born. There were no objectively correct ways of knowing smones birthdate back then except for word of mouth (if ppl cared to remember, because islam uses the lunar calendar, its much more complicated to track birthdays and date than how we do today)
Why not quote some of the earlier longer parts about timeline inconsistencies and sectarian incentives, those are up for discussion.
Why, through centuries of Muslim scholarship, was this conclusion not came to earlier? There are thousands and thousands of pages written by thousands and thousands of Muslim commentators and scholars that did not have a problem with her age at marriage, nor consider it particularly notable. It’s only now, at a Western university, in a world which unequivocally does not accept people fucking 9 year olds that the story changes.
Aisha was active a long time after Mohammad’s death. How old are we suggesting she was married at?
There are other hadiths that mention her being young (playing with dolls). So we’re throwing out a Hadith that many many Muslims have historically accepted, that seems to align with other hadiths that many many Muslims have historically accepted.
This is a clear Occam’s razor situation.
Is it “Christophobic” to point out that Mary was fourteen when God impregnated here? That seems to make the Christian god a clear pedophile.
Aisha was such a badass I wish some radical feminist Muslim women would retool the entire religion around her though.
Well you have a point. But I would suppose that the idea is child marriage was a very common thing even upto the last century, and is still common today in less developed parts of the world. Since no one considered it an issue, no one questioned the particular hadiths either. Also there is no “centuries of scholarship” done specifically on Aishas age, it was a hadith that everyone ran with because there were no reason for ppl to doubt it. Islamic jurisprudence were about laws and ethics, not history. And whatever scholarly work has been done have pointed strongly to the idea Aisha was not 9. (Even tho ibn-kathir, in the 1300s, ran into timeline issues and has reported about how Aishas age dont match up, and the timeline that he compiled suggested aisha was in her late teens. So it is technically mot even true that no one had any issues before the west pointed it out)
I find it weird that everyone is getting so defensive here, quick to calling it apologia and bullshit. You are allowed to believe whatever you want about Islam (or christianity, or religion itself). But what I was just trying to point out in my original reply that not all muslims especially in the west and academia today, agree or accept the fact Aisha was 9. Again many still do. But it does not really help that the excuse is used by Islamophobes all around the world. Its the same as quoting the worse parts of Talmud and calling every jew a violent person. Even though most prolly never though abt it and might be conflicted if u tell this, or outright deny its supposed to be taken literally, or contextualize whatever. You can say that is all apologia, so whatever really ig, at the end people just believe whatever they want to believe, and hurling insults and accusing them of promoting child rape is unlikely to bring a change in their worldview.
“The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine.”
Sunan an-Nasa’i is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Ahmad an-Nasa’i (rahimahullah). His collection is unanimously considered to be one of the six canonical collections of hadith (Kutub as-Sittah) of the Sunnah of the Prophet (ﷺ)
if you don’t believe it then you aren’t momin (a true believer) the quran gives the what, the hadiths give the how, you can pick and choose but most wouldn’t consider you a true Muslim.
For some, probably practical reason the full isnad or chain of information is usually not translated, so while the English translation says it’s in her own words, it’s actually been passed through 6 people, as written in the complete Arabic text.
understood, all the hadiths were created after Muhammad lived and all were passed through some number of people.
even the quran wasn’t actually compiled in to a single book until after his death and relied on a lot of memorised spoken word.
its all sketchy but when people cherry pick which they like and which they don’t, it can become foolish really, imho.
it’s either all the “word of god” or none of it is (thats my logic obviously, I don’t expect everyone to agree).
what I quoted is from a hadith that is very widely accepted. and if that isn’t enough then I don’t know how you can accept any hadith based on the same criteria.
if you don’t follow the surrah then many (most) would consider you kafir.
There is a small but existent group of Quranic muslims, who accept only Quran as the complete and total revelation from Allah.
But I resist the urge to start going through different sects and their views on their religion, rather I’d focus here on the historical aspect of what an arabian couple did or did not do on their wedding night some 1400 years ago, and that the strongest evidence is something that has passed through six people until eventually written down a couple of hundred years after the event.
yeah I hear you, for my part quranists are an interesting one as so much of the actual practices require some observance of the hadiths, such as explaining how to pray and perform Hajj. although from a logical point of view I do sympathise with the want to stay as close to the teaching of the prophet as they can. as to the historical side of what happened 1400 years ago, well it’s all a wash to me, we’ll never know.
To me the the hadiths are against what is said in the Quran about it being complete and sufficient. If it’s not, then those surahs are wrong, which takes some credibility off of it.
In comparison the New Testament is supposedly about Jesus, but a huge part of it is actually texts written by Paul who never even met Jesus (at least in flesh)
I agree with everything you’ve said, either the teachings of the prophet are the word of god or they aren’t, I have never quite understood the acceptance of revelations by non prophets or teachings that were created long after the prophets death, doesn’t matter which prophet we’re talking about.
but again I’m just speaking of my own thoughts on the matter. people can, obviously, believe what they like.
This is islamophobic. Especially considering Aisha’s age is a subject of debate among scholars and historians.
Lmao I am absolutely not an islamophobe. My girlfriend and her entire family are Palestinian and most are still Muslim. She laughed at this meme harder than I did.
Yes, this is how liberal islamophobia works. It’s all jokes designed to denigrate billions of people.
Liberalism <—> Fascism
People don’t have to believe in Islam, Christianity, Judaism or any other religious bullshit.
If billions of people want to worship a pedophile, warmongering, rapist, I’ll reserve the right to make fun of them.
Nobody is debating it. It’s literally in the scriptures. The only people who deny it are dishonest muslims who don’t want to admit their prophet is a pedophile and ignorant westerners who defend something horrific even though they know nothing about it because they have a white savior complex
Eh, Mary was a teenager when God knocked her up. Seems religion and power are just convenient excuses for old dudes to fuck kids. Always have been. Fuck religion and the morons who follow it.
dudes i am so glad i worship a giant space crab. the only fucking going on is people screaming “FUCK” right before it eats them when it comes to devour the planet.
Do they chew the planet?
it’s not that big
:(
like how much detail do you want about Our Lord and Devourer? I’m not much of a preacher.
How do he look like?
they has laser eyes, acid breath, a thick chitinous carapace, a saddle for believers to ride them, can regrow limbs because crab, five simultaneous genders (because crabs have convergently evolved five times. pagan god of convergent evolution what i made up) and invites us all to partake us their delicious delicious flesh (which as i stated earlier, regrows). lactates butter from one claw and garlic butter from the other.
how to worship: go to the ocean or nearest body of water or body of water in your soul, find a crab shack, get a crab sammich, and eat the crab sammich. Notice how much better that tastes than Jeezits? Worship through joy in food. crab if you can get it. If you are allergic it is Crab God’s…? Idk i haven’t figured that part out yet. Artificial crab is Crab God’s blessing to the unwashed masses. Our god tastes better than your god praise be.
we do the wheel of the year and have a couple other extra holidays like pie day (my favorite uncle died then so it’s special, not because of pies. we actually eat ice cream), and you can eat eggs but no other bird products because i don’t like poultry and it’s my religion i made it up. just had easter (ostarra) last week, we gathered flowers to put in all the rooms in the house and made some holy water and had a tea party. (also my band played at the christian church i play at but like, that’s work). main tenets are based off of Bill and Tedism (all of the cults i’ve started are based off of Be Excellent to Each Other, Party On, Dudes. Only real sin is intentionally being an asshole. Because I struggle with that.).
I have yet to write scripture but this is the first cult (i think this is number 8? there’s this cult around a whale statue in Utah that really got away from me) i’ve started that felt real to me. it’s so absurd i love it. but there are four of us Crabgodians now! (My wife is also Crabgodian. Well okay she’s Methodist and she humors me)
It’s not islamophobic, she was 9 years old
There’s no debate
Your claim is factophobic
That’s not true, there is some debate as to whether the marriage was indeed consumated when she was 9, or right after they were married, which would have made her 6.
She was also accused of adultry at 13.
Not really. Saying there is ‘no debate’ isn’t actually factually accurate. While some traditional sources mention that age, there is a massive amount of historical and academic scholarship that suggests otherwise. The claim of age 9 have been used by bad faith actors on all sides. (Some fanatics to justify child marriage, and other fanatics who think their religion/group of people are superior to muslims in particular).
Here is a decent article explaining this if u wanna engage with it in good faith. There have been various debates on it and hadith is not considered accurate always, unlike the quran. The claim she was that young may have originated from sectarian divides among early muslims for whom virginity meant being “pure”. U dont really need to particularly agree with the claim that she was not 9yo as a total fact. The Bukhari hadiths saying she is 9 is very well accepted by a vast majority of rhe fundamentalist muslim word, but not everyone. Saying there is “no debate” at all is a factually wrong statement as well. And reduces all of a particular group of people as brainwashed fanatics who support the horror of child marriage.
https://newlinesmag.com/essays/oxford-study-sheds-light-on-muhammad-underage-wife-aisha/
In this case it’s the liberal side.
That’s not what a debate is
People can choose not to accept anything, that doesn’t mean that it is debatable.
It’s factually wrong, according to the ONLY SOURCE who would know. Do you understand? Nobody else would know better than her. There is no “opposing view” that was there to dispute it. All were in agreement she was a child, and she knows her own age better than anybody.
So, there’s no debate.
People can choose to accept it, or not. There is still no debate, because how the fuck would they know? It’s babble.
Yeah exactly. Thats the point. There is no record of Aisha herself saying her age was 9 at marriage. Nor is there any hadith from medina (where the marriage took place) that mentions aisha age. Only more than a generation later, in Iraq, someone who has poor memory, claimed that he has “heard” from someone else that Aisha said she is 9. So there is no reason to believe him over anyone else. Its a babble. No one knows Aishas age for sure. Historians and timeline analysis say she was 19-20. Pedophiles and Islamophobes say she was 9. People can choose to accept whatever they want. There is no good debate.
Those “someone’s” are the only ones who knew. The reason to believe them is that there IS NO ONE ELSE offering an opposing view point from that time.
You either accept it as true, or reject it as untrue (in spite of knowing absolutely nothing).
No debate at all
Why wud u accept something as true tho if there is no opposing view. I can makeup anything and say since there is no else opposing view point, my claim is the truth. I say that outside of the observable universe its all turtles. That does not make it true just because there is no other evidence of anything else. Its a debate about facts not what ifs. This is a classic appeal to ignorance fallacy.
Because there is no opposing view from all of the evidence available.
You can choose to accept it, or say that they are liars and/or crazy. So why IMAGINE she was older? All from the time that we know of are in agreement (I know she’s referred to at least once in another Hadith, playing with dolls).
Yes, you can pretend that you have some special insight, but you don’t. “You” describing anyone who might disagree.
For example, I have a memory of when I was a child. I know what happened, and nobody else does, or everybody else who did know is dead/absent. You will call me a liar?
Why pretend that I’m lying? You have no clue. There is no evidence of anything else happening.
That’s why it’s not a debate.
If you had evidence that she was whatever age, and other people who were there disagree? Well, then you can debate based on the merits and testimony of the witnesses. But as it is, she said she was young, others who were there said she was playing with dolls. Nobody from the time is saying “No, I was there, she was in her 30s”. Her being a young child is not unusual in any way at that time.
Does this mean all testimony is fact? No. But without evidence to the contrary, any other opinion is fantasy and conjecture.
So no debate.
“The Muslim scholar Yasmin Amin makes an interesting point, however, noting that the report in question is not technically a hadith at all, since it is ultimately attributed to Aisha and not Muhammad. She makes the argument that traditionalist Muslims can and should differentiate between prophetic and non-prophetic reports found in Sahih Bukhari.”
Obviously the article has a lot more content than this but I found this funny. "Don’t listen to the kid he is accused of raping as a child, listen to the prophet instead. And just ignore that.
Also this one “The attribution of this young age to Aisha should thus be understood as reflecting not chronological or historical accuracy but, rather, a symbolic concern for her virginity, chastity and purity.”
Lol what bullshit. come on
That paragraph is supposes to highlight the difference between hadith from the prophet vs haditths that are just oral collections from diff ppl. The author is saying here that the hadith does not carry the same weight as other bukhari hadiths because its not attributed to the prophet and is merely an oral claim by hisham(someone who has memory issues) that “someone said that Aisha said she was 9”
You are quoting the ending parts of the article which have nothing to do with the original argument it presents and simply is there to cleanup and establish the new status quo, and these tiny “things” whatever you call them are meaningless in the context of the greater discussion.
The symbolic part is discussed all through the article (for eg age 40 as a symbol for being wise, and for extra info age 70 in islamic world is considered the timeline for eternity(sorry if I cant explain it well, english aint my first language, but for eg u say to smone like “bro why r u so weak, r u already 70yo?”)
You not liking it does not change the fact that ages were used a lot more for symbolism back then than the actual time since the person has been born. There were no objectively correct ways of knowing smones birthdate back then except for word of mouth (if ppl cared to remember, because islam uses the lunar calendar, its much more complicated to track birthdays and date than how we do today)
Why not quote some of the earlier longer parts about timeline inconsistencies and sectarian incentives, those are up for discussion.
This is apologia.
Why, through centuries of Muslim scholarship, was this conclusion not came to earlier? There are thousands and thousands of pages written by thousands and thousands of Muslim commentators and scholars that did not have a problem with her age at marriage, nor consider it particularly notable. It’s only now, at a Western university, in a world which unequivocally does not accept people fucking 9 year olds that the story changes.
Aisha was active a long time after Mohammad’s death. How old are we suggesting she was married at?
There are other hadiths that mention her being young (playing with dolls). So we’re throwing out a Hadith that many many Muslims have historically accepted, that seems to align with other hadiths that many many Muslims have historically accepted.
This is a clear Occam’s razor situation.
Is it “Christophobic” to point out that Mary was fourteen when God impregnated here? That seems to make the Christian god a clear pedophile.
Aisha was such a badass I wish some radical feminist Muslim women would retool the entire religion around her though.
Well you have a point. But I would suppose that the idea is child marriage was a very common thing even upto the last century, and is still common today in less developed parts of the world. Since no one considered it an issue, no one questioned the particular hadiths either. Also there is no “centuries of scholarship” done specifically on Aishas age, it was a hadith that everyone ran with because there were no reason for ppl to doubt it. Islamic jurisprudence were about laws and ethics, not history. And whatever scholarly work has been done have pointed strongly to the idea Aisha was not 9. (Even tho ibn-kathir, in the 1300s, ran into timeline issues and has reported about how Aishas age dont match up, and the timeline that he compiled suggested aisha was in her late teens. So it is technically mot even true that no one had any issues before the west pointed it out)
I find it weird that everyone is getting so defensive here, quick to calling it apologia and bullshit. You are allowed to believe whatever you want about Islam (or christianity, or religion itself). But what I was just trying to point out in my original reply that not all muslims especially in the west and academia today, agree or accept the fact Aisha was 9. Again many still do. But it does not really help that the excuse is used by Islamophobes all around the world. Its the same as quoting the worse parts of Talmud and calling every jew a violent person. Even though most prolly never though abt it and might be conflicted if u tell this, or outright deny its supposed to be taken literally, or contextualize whatever. You can say that is all apologia, so whatever really ig, at the end people just believe whatever they want to believe, and hurling insults and accusing them of promoting child rape is unlikely to bring a change in their worldview.
not it isn’t islamaphobic,
Sunan an-Nasa’i 3379
narrated in her own words:
“The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine.”
Sunan an-Nasa’i is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Ahmad an-Nasa’i (rahimahullah). His collection is unanimously considered to be one of the six canonical collections of hadith (Kutub as-Sittah) of the Sunnah of the Prophet (ﷺ)
if you don’t believe it then you aren’t momin (a true believer) the quran gives the what, the hadiths give the how, you can pick and choose but most wouldn’t consider you a true Muslim.
For some, probably practical reason the full isnad or chain of information is usually not translated, so while the English translation says it’s in her own words, it’s actually been passed through 6 people, as written in the complete Arabic text.
understood, all the hadiths were created after Muhammad lived and all were passed through some number of people. even the quran wasn’t actually compiled in to a single book until after his death and relied on a lot of memorised spoken word. its all sketchy but when people cherry pick which they like and which they don’t, it can become foolish really, imho. it’s either all the “word of god” or none of it is (thats my logic obviously, I don’t expect everyone to agree). what I quoted is from a hadith that is very widely accepted. and if that isn’t enough then I don’t know how you can accept any hadith based on the same criteria. if you don’t follow the surrah then many (most) would consider you kafir.
There is a small but existent group of Quranic muslims, who accept only Quran as the complete and total revelation from Allah.
But I resist the urge to start going through different sects and their views on their religion, rather I’d focus here on the historical aspect of what an arabian couple did or did not do on their wedding night some 1400 years ago, and that the strongest evidence is something that has passed through six people until eventually written down a couple of hundred years after the event.
yeah I hear you, for my part quranists are an interesting one as so much of the actual practices require some observance of the hadiths, such as explaining how to pray and perform Hajj. although from a logical point of view I do sympathise with the want to stay as close to the teaching of the prophet as they can. as to the historical side of what happened 1400 years ago, well it’s all a wash to me, we’ll never know.
To me the the hadiths are against what is said in the Quran about it being complete and sufficient. If it’s not, then those surahs are wrong, which takes some credibility off of it.
https://beyond-islam.org/spiritual-ethical-foundations/the-quran-is-complete/
In comparison the New Testament is supposedly about Jesus, but a huge part of it is actually texts written by Paul who never even met Jesus (at least in flesh)
https://biblehub.com/topical/t/the_case_against_paul.htm
In the end It’s Pauls teachings that divide christians, and it’s the hadiths that divide muslims.
I agree with everything you’ve said, either the teachings of the prophet are the word of god or they aren’t, I have never quite understood the acceptance of revelations by non prophets or teachings that were created long after the prophets death, doesn’t matter which prophet we’re talking about.
but again I’m just speaking of my own thoughts on the matter. people can, obviously, believe what they like.
Agreed, thank you for the insightful conversation
I found Aisha’s father.
Her father gave her as a gift to mohammad, he’s not exactly concerned about her
Religion of Peace. No better chance at peace then this as an “offering.”