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    22 days ago

    I kid you not, ive seen Nepalis building a house using a loooong line of people passing shallow dishes of cement along to the top of the building. It certainly looked like exactly this kind of job creation scheme… Friedman can fuck off, though.

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        20 days ago

        Yeah if you need more jobs either find work that’s good to do but normally can’t be justified like the American CCC did or cut hours for similar pay

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      21 days ago

      I know what this is. It makes sense in rough terrain where it is hard to get machinery to, even disassembled, but at the same time has no shortage of willing labour.

      Its very effective during disaster recovery.

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        22 days ago

        TBF, bigger dishes would be heavier, which would slow down the line and might reduce how many hours the people in it can go.

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          22 days ago

          Are you arguing with my all-knowing genius? Bad post, no points. Worst post trade of all time.

          Now let me press this up button to punish you.

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    22 days ago

    I’m a dumb American and don’t know who this is. He didn’t really do that did he? What the fuck is going on.

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      22 days ago

      He’s one of the fathers of neoliberalism, and therefore a lot of the problems we all face today

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        22 days ago

        I believe he is the one who coined the term, and if you read the text in which he did that, you will see that what we got is nothing even close to what he wanted.

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        22 days ago

        Neoliberalism would have come one way or the other. Doesn’t matter if Milton Friedman was a Jack Burner or a Jan Wouters.

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          21 days ago

          Neoliberalism would have come one way or the other.

          That’s a part of the lie that “capitalism is inevitable.”

          It’s not. Just because the world is a certain way for a time, doesn’t mean it has to be, and the world is never done changing and evolving.

          The world we live in today is the result of millions of decisions that humans have made. Collective decisions, individual decisions, competing decisions, strategic decisions. It all adds up and substracts and the net result is the world we have today.

          Capitalism isn’t inevitable. Oligarchs only want you to believe that so you accept it as the so-called “real world.”

          Maybe Friedman wasn’t the guy that made neoliberalism the dominant system today, but if we didn’t have Reagan or Thatcher, we wouldn’t have austerity for the poor and “trickle-down” supply-side economics as the main standard methods of political economy.

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            21 days ago

            That’s a part of the lie that “capitalism is inevitable.”

            Incorrect. Capitalism was practically everywhere in the 70s when Neoliberalism came onto the scene. It was already there. Neoliberalism is a logical development within capitalism as capitalism reaches the highest possible productivity achievable with it.

            There is nothing super special about Neoliberalism when you look at the way the world was before the new deal and Italian fascism.

            but if we didn’t have Reagan or Thatcher

            Great man/woman theory.

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              21 days ago

              I never claimed that neoliberalism is what gave us capitalism. What’s with people arguing against points I never made?

              I said claiming that “we would have neoliberalism one way or another” is a part of the lie that “capitalism is inevitable.” Nothing you said refutes that.

              but if we didn’t have Reagan or Thatcher

              Great man/woman theory.

              Not at all. Heads of state of influential world superpowers absolutely have a disproportionate effect on the development of the world for decades and even generations after their time in office.

              If you can’t see that, then I guess you believe the world is purely deterministic and human choice doesn’t matter, so then I guess you’re also a nihilist who says we shouldn’t vote or fight for climate action or even resist fascism, because apparently the people in power don’t matter, and human choices don’t matter, so why the fuck should anyone try to make a difference anyway?

              I guess we can’t hold anyone in power accountable for the results of their decisions, because that would be “great man/woman” fallacy, right? Let’s all stay in bed and drink ourselves into comas, because capitalism and neoliberalism aren’t the results of human choices, but somehow some inevitable part of existence itself.

              Go home.

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      22 days ago

      This just reminded me of a classmate from my teens who once said, in all seriousness, “Hitler didn’t just do bad things”.

      And I replied, “Uh, yeah”. And in my mind, searching for something good he did, went like ‘he built the Autobahn’ immediately followed up with ‘well, that didn’t turn out to be the best idea either’, and by then the moment had kinda passed, and I couldn’t casually say “Well, actually […]”.

      Man, politics as a teenager was wild.

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          21 days ago

          Can you really give him credit for that one though? He waited far too long until it was pretty certain someone else was going to do it any day now. He was even a loser in the one good thing he did.

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          21 days ago

          Wod’ve been better if it were rail. It was really kind of stupid for him to go so all-in on oil-based transport like that. Even diesel trains would be a better choice than cars, but given the inevitable war shortages, it probably would have been sensible to stick with either coal-powered steam trains, or electric trains.

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            The auto bahn could also be used by Horses and other pack animals. Hitler was still testing the waters and wanted to disguise his infastructure for war as civilian. The auto bahn was very grandiose and fit his grand vision for Germany. All the countries had different rail gauges, so German rail was not as effective for moving into other countries like road infrastructure was.

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      22 days ago

      US does it with their health industry, more administrators then doctors, also their military industrial complex , which is why they need forever wars to create jobs.

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        21 days ago

        Except those administrators make more than the doctors and are all nepo hires…

        Better if they employed more lab techs and social workers