That’s not the criticism that’s being made here. The criticism is not in how the power plant is organized, which the sketch doesn’t talk about that at all. The criticism is that you’d need people in the plant and if that work isn’t rewarded or paid in some way, they’re not going to be able to provide for themselves.
At the social level: recognition and respect from community members, status grounded in contribution rather than wealth, reciprocal relationships and mutual aid, and the experience of belonging.
Mutual aid is already acknowledged in the sketch. I don’t see any answer to the problem of doing it at scale.
If you need to provide hundreds of people with mutual aid for decades, then you’re probably going to have to have some sort of system to ensure people contribute to it and it goes to the right people. Congratulations, you just reinvented government, and contradicted the meme.
The fact that they’re considering denying access to basic human necessities like food indicates that they aren’t anarchists. That would constitute a form of hierarchical authority, which is not permissable.
Unless of course they’re all anarcho-primitivists and don’t believe in large-scale agriculture, without which you couldn’t feed everyone. In that case, they’re just stupid :P
Adam grows enough food for himself, eats said food, then spends the rest of his time watching movies. Bob and Charlie don’t grow any food, Bob spends his time keeping the reactor from melting down, and Charlie spends all his time at the movies.
Who exactly is exercising “hierarchal authority” over who? Is Adam exercising hierarchal authority over Bob and Charlie for not growing enough food for them? Are Bob and Charlie exercising hierarchal authority over each other by not providing each other with food? How does this work exactly?
Would it be exerting heirarchal authority for me to go out right now and plant some potatoes in my backyard and then eat them once they’re grown? Am I exerting heirarchal authority right now by posting, rather than spending this time growing food to give to the hungry?
Which specific economic model will scale globally and is better at distribution of scarce resources than capitalism?
Literally every ideology-driven argument falls apart when it’s time to talk implementation. Theory is nice for winning Internet arguments with incels. The real challenge is making it work in the real world.
I submit that, if we normalized the notion of ethical capitalism - a capitalism that intelligently recognized all systems have limits, and eternal growth is impossible and pursuing profit at any cost is inhuman. Governments can put necessary checks in place, but society needs to change its values. Ethical capitalism requires a population willing to go without when the real costs of convenience sets the world on fire.
Now show me a society with values that supports delayed gratification as a moral value. I’ll wait.
That’s not the criticism that’s being made here. The criticism is not in how the power plant is organized, which the sketch doesn’t talk about that at all. The criticism is that you’d need people in the plant and if that work isn’t rewarded or paid in some way, they’re not going to be able to provide for themselves.
https://anarwiki.org/wiki/Motivations
https://youtu.be/cLBospQs9Hk
Yeah I know, I watched it.
So what is your answer to the problems it raises?
Mutual aid is already acknowledged in the sketch. I don’t see any answer to the problem of doing it at scale.
If you need to provide hundreds of people with mutual aid for decades, then you’re probably going to have to have some sort of system to ensure people contribute to it and it goes to the right people. Congratulations, you just reinvented government, and contradicted the meme.
Mutual aid networks can be scaled up indefinitly tho
How? What’s to stop anybody from coming up and saying, “I work with Dicknose up at the power plant, give me a food?”
The fact that they’re considering denying access to basic human necessities like food indicates that they aren’t anarchists. That would constitute a form of hierarchical authority, which is not permissable.
Unless of course they’re all anarcho-primitivists and don’t believe in large-scale agriculture, without which you couldn’t feed everyone. In that case, they’re just stupid :P
Help me out here.
Adam grows enough food for himself, eats said food, then spends the rest of his time watching movies. Bob and Charlie don’t grow any food, Bob spends his time keeping the reactor from melting down, and Charlie spends all his time at the movies.
Who exactly is exercising “hierarchal authority” over who? Is Adam exercising hierarchal authority over Bob and Charlie for not growing enough food for them? Are Bob and Charlie exercising hierarchal authority over each other by not providing each other with food? How does this work exactly?
Would it be exerting heirarchal authority for me to go out right now and plant some potatoes in my backyard and then eat them once they’re grown? Am I exerting heirarchal authority right now by posting, rather than spending this time growing food to give to the hungry?
Depends on which economic model the people choose. Anarchism is not a system, its a framework under which new systems can be freely developed.
OK, and can you provide one economic model that’s consistent with anarchism that provides an actual answer to my question?
Which specific economic model will scale globally and is better at distribution of scarce resources than capitalism?
Literally every ideology-driven argument falls apart when it’s time to talk implementation. Theory is nice for winning Internet arguments with incels. The real challenge is making it work in the real world.
I submit that, if we normalized the notion of ethical capitalism - a capitalism that intelligently recognized all systems have limits, and eternal growth is impossible and pursuing profit at any cost is inhuman. Governments can put necessary checks in place, but society needs to change its values. Ethical capitalism requires a population willing to go without when the real costs of convenience sets the world on fire.
Now show me a society with values that supports delayed gratification as a moral value. I’ll wait.