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    fuck right off. republicans in my state are all concerned about fair maps to and that will be a priority once the party in power is not dictating states do it.

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    So if every state adopts this style of hyper-partisan gerrymandering, why bother having state reps at all?

    Remember when Newsome invited alt-right dickheads on his podcast and essentially asked, “how can dems be more like you?” Turns out he listened. Performative twitter trolling and undermining our representative democracy.

    Fuck each and every neoliberal, and that goes double for Gruesome Newsome.

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      What’s the alternative, let the red states gerrymander and then just hope and pray that our new Republican-run house does the right thing and outlaws their one advantage in governing?

      Newsom isn’t doing this in a vacuum, California has had a really well liked nonpartisan districting committee. Texas and other red States have gone with the nuclear option and CA is responding in kind - even more importantly, this is something that has to be voted on by the residents of CA in a special election, rather than by a set of politicians already benefitting from gerrymandering.

      I absolutely hate that it has to be done, but as a CA resident I will be voting for it, and I will be pressuring my elected representatives to work towards passing federal legislation outlawing the practice and bringing things to a more even playing field.

      The do-nothing alternative is not an option.

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        The alternative is the Dems adopting a legitimate progressive platform. Liberals will stand on their heads before they support a progressive candidate. Case-in-point Zohran Mamdani.

        There’s a clear path for gaining the support of the the greater American public. They kneecapped Bernie in 2016 and they’ll do it again and again until we make it clear we won’t budge. If Newsome runs for president we are virtually guaranteed a Vance presidency in 2028. Mark my words.

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    Reminder that the Republican party is a traitorous entity attempting to destroy our nation and recreate it in their image. An image entirely opposite of the vision of our founding fathers and our democratic institutions.

    Treat them like traitors, because they are.

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    Okay so Texas Democrats returned and Republican Texas got their gerrymander.

    So I’m willing to bet this Republican lawsuit will successfully bind California Democrats from their gerrymander.

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    How DARE they do the exact same thing we’re doing in response to us doing it. That’s not fair!

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    California Democrats used a common legislative tactic called “gut and amend” to rush legislation for a special election on new election maps. Republicans say that violates the state constitution.

    A common tactic that Republicans claim violates the state Constitution. Yet, they’ve never objected to the use of this common tactic before.

    For gut-and-amends, the Legislature abides by a different rule added to the state constitution by voters in 2016: the language needs to be published for 72 hours before lawmakers can vote.

    Ah, they’ve never objected because it doesn’t actually violate the constitution.

    “The public cannot have a voice if they do not know what’s going on,” said Assemblyman Carl DeMaio of San Diego, who is not party to the lawsuit. “What Governor Newsom and the legislators are trying to do is prevent the public from knowing what’s going on before it’s too late.”

    I’m practically all the way on the other coast from California, essentially a continent away, and I am fully aware of what it going on there. If your constituents are that clueless about what’s happening in your state right now, 27 more days isn’t going to fix what’s wrong with them.

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      “The public cannot have a voice if they do not know what’s going on,” said Assemblyman Carl DeMaio of San Diego, who is not party to the lawsuit. “What Governor Newsom and the legislators are trying to do is prevent the public from knowing what’s going on before it’s too late.”

      This garbage pile DeMaio has been creeping around San Diego’s outskirts trying to weasle his way into any seat in government he can get his slimy mitts on. I fucking hate that guy and am sick of hearing about his stupid ass.

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      And this is why you should’ve spent more time acting and less time grandstanding Newsom. Stop threatening and just fucking do what you need to do.

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        Trump asked for 5 votes from Texas a month ago.

        In a month CA lawyers / legislators found a creative way around the 2008 / 2010 redistricting laws, they drafted new maps, they found a way around the legislative waiting periods, and they’re about get legislators to vote yes in their last session before Nov.

        Maybe is they really hauled ass they could’ve done this in half a month, but a month is pretty damn fast.

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        He won’t. They’ll run up to the line, screaming “Don’t make us bluff you!”, and then fail to deliver.

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      So, I did a little digging, and apparently Prop 54 amended the state constitution in pertinent part as follows:

      No bill may be passed or ultimately become a statute unless until the bill with any amendments has been printed, and distributed to the members, and published on the Internet, in its final form, for at least 72 hours before the vote, except that this notice period may be waived if the Governor has submitted to the Legislature a written statement that dispensing with this notice period for that bill is necessary to address a state of emergency, as defined in paragraph (2) of subdivision © of Section 3 of Article XIII B, that has been declared by the Governor, and the house considering the bill thereafter dispenses with the notice period for that bill by a separate roll call vote entered in the journal, two thirds of the membership concurring, prior to the vote on the bill.

      Given that the legislature hasn’t been voted on yet, the publishing on the internet could be done immediately and satisfy the constitution. Alternatively, if the Democrats want to keep the plan secret until the last minute, Newsom could provide a written declaration of emergency, and since Democrats have a supermajority, they could easily provide the concurrence without a single Republican vote. Accordingly, I don’t see the Republicans winning on this issue.

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    To get the maps on the ballot, Democrats repurposed two existing bills rather than introduce new legislation that would trigger the 30-day window

    I’m glad to see they’re fighting dirty. Gloves are off.

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      They should keep doing it.

      It is an absolute fact that the average IQ of Democrat representatives is higher than the average IQ of Republican representatives. If Dems started playing dirty they’d be doing it more effectively than Republicans because they’re more intelligent.

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      Fucking finally. Dems always pull the “we won’t stoop to their level” BS all the time, and all it ends up doing is letting the right slowly seize more and more power.

      I hope this will become a growing trend, but sadly I’m not very optimistic given how the party has acted prior to this.

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        Ratchet Effect.

        It feels like the Democratic Party is designed on purpose to interact in this way. But that would be a conspiracy theory, right?

        Neoliberalism. Both parties pray to the same neoliberal god.

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        Treating it like a game means you may find cheating allowed. That’s how I was viewing it, for my joke that I’m assuming most people understood.

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    Gavin Newsom in Jerusalem in 2008 photo/dan pine Gavin Newsom in Jerusalem in 2008 photo/dan pine

    How the trips will affect these office holders long-term is uncertain. However, for many, the trips never stop reverberating — such as for San Francisco’s then-Mayor Gavin Newsom, who was part of an Israel trip in May 2008.

    Now lieutenant governor of California, Newsom, along with wife Jennifer Seibel, his fiancée at that time, took part in a mission sponsored by the S.F.-based Jewish Community Federation. In Israel, Newsom toured high-tech companies, met with counterparts in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa, and received security briefings at the Lebanese and West Bank borders.

    He said this week he was struck by “how remarkably small Israel is. From a security perspective [the trip] reinforced what I always believed: Standing there right on the border, you understand the politics a lot better.”

    Like other Bay Area politicians, Newsom said his pre-trip expectations were formed from exposure to media.

    “Invariably that was framed in context of conflict, of stress, of friction,” he said. “I experienced something 180 degrees different. In the context of policymaking, it’s a reminder that one cannot substitute actual experience with an academic experience. It’s essential for anyone in positions of public life that they experience Israel first-hand.”

    He said the trip helped him connect more deeply with the economic and cultural ties between Israel and the Bay Area. Along those lines, as lieutenant governor he has pushed for the opening of a permanent California trade office in Israel.

    There used to be one there, and in other parts of the world, but all were eliminated in budget cuts in 2003.

    “I thought this was an overreaction,” Newsom said. “Rather than reforming it, they eliminated it. California is competing with states like Georgia, Louisiana and Mississippi, which all have foreign offices. California has none anywhere.”

    Moreover, said Newsom, a onetime wine merchant and restaurateur, “I say this all the time: Some of the best food I ever had was in Israel.”

    source

        • They never have, these freaks were shushing anyone criticizing genocide joe until he got shuffled offstage due to him being bad on tv and they immediately rallied behind kamala. Not even calling for primaries or anything, the dems said “this is who you’ll vote for” and thats all they need. They are the dems most whipped dogs and would vote for mussolini if the dem leadership told them it was their best chance to beat trump. They might complain about it, but will always end their complaints with their pledge of loyalty “its still better than trump”

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          Not defending Newsom, just wanted to point out that what you posted was very old.

          I have no interest in reading your article thanks.

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            I’m not attacking him, just posting some facts some people might be interested in. Many people regard this conflict as a test for US politicians, it’s always good to know more.

            I have no interest in reading your article thanks.

            why? It’s just information, if fake I would like to know too.

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                Well, you see, the commenter straight up lied when they said “I’m not attacking him”. So with that in mind, it makes more sense that he’d post something that has nothing to do with gerrymandering.

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                  It may not have anything to do with Republicans. The commenter may just be one of the losers that cares more about the Israel issue than letting a fascist and his fascist party take over our nation.

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              Are you making similarreplies to posts about conservatives? Or are you only try to sour peoples views of democrats? I see a lot of “what about Israel” posts any time a democrat is mentioned. But those same people don’t seem to give a damn that republicans are not only doing the same or worse with Israel, but also trying to destroy America.

              The destroy America is what this whole post was about, and for some reason you felt compelled to bring up Israel. And I have no problem saying that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and the US is not only complicit, but seeming encuaging it, but that has nothing to do with this post.

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                Are you making similarreplies to posts about conservatives? Or are you only try to sour peoples views of democrats?

                “Conservatives” right now are extreme fascists. They talk like nazi, act like nazi and support nazism openly. There is no point in telling a nazi he is one, he knows it and he is proud of it. I try to appeal to a reasonable audience, yes.

                I see a lot of “what about Israel” posts any time a democrat is mentioned. But those same people don’t seem to give a damn that republicans are not only doing the same or worse with Israel, but also trying to destroy America.

                People (me included) are genuinely concerned about the involvement of Israel in the US.

                If you are a democrat and are expecting a blue wave of votes with Newsom like it happened with Mandami, you will be disappointed. Just like it happened with Kamala.

                People do care about this, polls shows it’s their number 1 issue right now. This whole Newsom show about talking though and drawing maps is a distraction from Epstein and Gaza.

                What people don’t understand about the pro-Palestine issue is that it’s a litmus test for folks. If you can brave and stand up against this genocide, then we can trust you on a variety of different issues. And Zoran didn’t win in spite of his pro-Palestine position. He won a majority of Jewish voters because of it.

                source, min 5:30

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              Of all the other criticisms people have had of Newsom, you’re only posting about his relationship with Israel. This suggests an ulterior motive or a bias on your part.